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Is it safe to come back into the guestbook yet? I've been afraid to enter due to the amount of backstabbing going on. Sure Jacqueline deserves some critism for some of the things she says, (as do a lot of people on here do also) but constructive critism, not downright bitterness & hatred. What is everyones problem with her, it has suddenly gone from witty & catty reproofs to a complete & utter witch hunt. It is not funny & I dread to think about the image of Seaham strangers coming into the guestbook will get. Come on people lets get this guestbook back to some order PLEASE.
Dee
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 14:33:32 (PDT)

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- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 14:13:38 (PDT)

hi is there any1 who went to westlea junior school and is at northlea now?
Michael Thompson <michael_safc48@hotmail.com>
Consett, durham uk - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 13:45:32 (PDT)

J USA its nice to be apreciated. thank you
Seahamlad
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 13:06:19 (PDT)

Jackie - you PROMISED, now bug our FOREVER
WE ARE NOT AMUSED
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 11:58:55 (PDT)

England 3 Lick a Stein 1, check the time of my post and see how right I am.
David Deck Him
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 11:57:51 (PDT)

"Seahamlad" Thank you so much for working so hard at changing the topics on this G/B it has been "testy" lately and I tried to change the topics but to no avail - so thanks! Now people! Settle down..
J USA
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 11:56:40 (PDT)

...would like to THROUGH you all into a BOWEL, dare I say OUCH! Do you mean THROW into a BOWL you dim wit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For the attention of John Steed
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 11:55:49 (PDT)

No Ordinary Day I greeted this morning as I often greet each day, Mentally listing what I need to do and say; The tasks I need to tackle, phone calls to make, What I wanted to accomplish once I was fully awake. I routinely reached over and picked up the remote, I checked the weather reports and made mental notes. Reassured by the reporters whom I know by name, Noticing the news was basically the same. I had my devotion time as I started my day, Comforted by the Psalms and what they had to say. I thought of so many people as I scanned my prayer list, Trying to make sure no prayer request was missed. I asked God to watch over both family and friends, Help us face this day, not knowing what it sends. I casually resumed the volume on the TV Not paying close attention, not taking time to see. As I went about my normal morning routine, I glanced at the news again, not believing what I'd seen. I immediately returned to my time with God in prayer, As I reached my hand up to my cheek to brush away a tear. I often pray for our country and even people I do not know, Asking God to lead us in the direction we should go. Listening to this tragedy as it started to unfold, Reminded me again that so much is out of our control. Immediately I felt so alone and so very small, My problems did not seem so important after all. I thought of my previous worries and fears, And realized how thankful I am for a God who really cares. There are so many uncertainties right now, But God is still beside us and we'll make it through somehow. Our faith will pull us through this time of unrest, We have to believe our God always knows what's best. At this moment we feel so weak and numb, Knowing that understanding in our minds may never come. We know that God is bigger than even terrorists attacks, His love for His children is a well known fact. Even at times like these when terrible events unfold, We have the peace and comfort that He is in control. He'll never forsake us or leave us all alone, He's even closer than our nearest telephone. My prayer is that in the days that lie ahead, God's majesty shines brightly through all that's done and said. May there never be a single doubt in anyone's mind, That God offers peace and comfort of a lasting kind. Thank you God, for your presence and your unending love too, Please God, bless America and Seaham Harbor too please help to see us through.
Seahamlad
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 11:47:55 (PDT)

In the still hours of the night Angels descend from above; They come to ease the suffering Of those crying out for love. They know where a heart is aching, A body that's wracked with pain; A soul reaching out to Heaven, To be with a loved one again. They tend to the sick and dying, Give comfort to those who grieve, Blessed with strong healing powers They touch each soul as they leave. Warm hearts filled with compassion They shine with radiant light. These are God's special angels, Who visit us mortals at night. So when you are tired and weary Of the weight of the cross that you bear In the darkness an angel will call Bringing you comfort and care.
Seahamlad
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 11:44:40 (PDT)

Our lives are in God's loving hands We know this to be true, For He is with us constantly He's part of all we do. And if our faith is strong enough We'll never walk alone, For with His great and perfect love He takes care of His own. So any time that trials or burdens Seem to come your way, Find strength and hope in knowing God is with you every day. Our lives are in God's loving hands We know this to be true, For He is with us constantly He's part of all we do. And if our faith is strong enough We'll never walk alone, For with His great and perfect love He takes care of His own. So any time that trials or burdens Seem to come your way, Find strength and hope in knowing God is with you every day. Our lives are in God's loving hands We know this to be true, For He is with us constantly He's part of all we do. And if our faith is strong enough We'll never walk alone, For with His great and perfect love He takes care of His own. So any time that trials or burdens Seem to come your way, Find strength and hope in knowing God is with you every day.
Seahamlad
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 11:41:56 (PDT)

Now that, Avenger, could make for something worthy of posting to the G/B about...good call mate!
J
USA - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 11:41:14 (PDT)

"J" USA, Twigger, Amuse and any other CRAPP lot: I would like to through you all into a big bowel of custard.
Avenger
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 10:48:28 (PDT)

Y'all are pathetic!!!!
No wonder these American are laughing at y'all
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 10:23:50 (PDT)

Jacqueline Mary Markie, call yourself a good catholic girl and blaspheming the way you just did a few posts ago, you should be ashamed young girl.
Former Teacher
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 09:59:26 (PDT)

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- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 09:54:59 (PDT)

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Jay You Ess Ay
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 09:52:37 (PDT)

Jackie pet, go and do some good deeds, AND KEEP YOUR PROMISE, GET OFF THIS SITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chase me, please chase me!
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 09:51:12 (PDT)

"Bexhibit" well I guess I have a well rounded colorful personality. Well.. so what if I have caused some of this myself - don't you think that some people are just being plain ignorant and mean. The person who wrote about my taking my notes off "friends" and saying, if you want to have a last laugh at me...what in God's name is all of that about. Do some people literally hate me even though they have not seen me for aproximately 13 years or longer. I moved away 16 years ago. Am I still hated? Why would I ever want to go back there? I just don't! I guess some people have not grown up and are still they were in school. As for John, well... it was an honest mistake and I hope he would know that and realize what has been going on.
J
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 09:45:49 (PDT)

http://www.friendsreunited.co.uk/FriendsReunited.asp?wci=MemberNotes&member_key=13266969
Ginger Bread Man
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 09:44:22 (PDT)

Well, poof to the lot of you, Seaham and its people stink! And at least you can't call me knackered knockers, mine work. I will never ever post here again - Jacqueline Markie. In fact I'm so peeved I've taken my notes off Friends Reunited as I don't have any friends anymore. I will be removing my photograph soon, take a look now if you want a last laugh at me.
"J" USA
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 09:36:29 (PDT)

Calm down Jacqueline, I hardly think that just because I agreed with J I slandered you. I do think you show loads of sides to your personality. You say you're reserved and then talk about having a crush on someone on the net. That's not the behaviour of a reserved person. would you be interested to know about my teenage crushes? I'm sure you wouldn't and I'm sure that no one else is either. You say you don't slag people off, but you go on to say you have more grace and class than people who knew you and you accuse me of slander, and accuse single mothers of being immoral. That is slagging people off in my book. In one of your earlier entries a couple of years ago you specifically named several people you went to school with and then went on to point out how you were doing better than them. I remember you wrote about living well being the best revenge. You sounded very bitter and far from full of grace and class. Finally you write you hated living in Seaham anyway. Then why are you always on this guestbook talking about your private life and then complaining when people comment on it? Jacqueline, you slag people's lifestyles off all the time, while praising yourself, so don't pretend you have any moral authority over the single mothers you appear to look down upon. And by the way it wan't me who let out your 'secret' that wise one was John Armes. But it has been obvious to me and to many others that I've spoken to that wise one was John because you've talked about having a crush on him before and have gone on about St. John's Church choir and stuff. I think you let your own secret out. Me and my friends could see what was going on, but we weren't really interested enough to comment until now when you start slagging off all and sundry. If you wanted it to be a secret why do you keep going on about it, why not keep your private life private? Maybe you've just betrayed John's confidence by mentioning his divorce. Did you think about that? I haven't slandered you I've just ocmmented on the comments you and others have chosen to make about yourself in this public arena.
Bunyard's Exhibition <bexhibition@aol.com>
seaham, - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 09:33:31 (PDT)

language (and spelling, everywhere) Markie, who you calling a liar
Twigger
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 09:31:24 (PDT)

you asked "And what the heck is Knackered old kinckers" ...........what are 'kinckers?' and I'm really pleased you're bugging out for good Markie
Twigger
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 09:29:35 (PDT)

"Amused" USA you are British - I have just spoke to J USA and it is you posting those postings. You are the liar, the two faced idiot!!! I hope you are proud of the trouble you have caused - your British Spelling gave it away - aren't you wise! NOT!!!!
Wiser than you!
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 09:25:47 (PDT)

Okay folks, I am done with this silliness. I will not post anymore. Regards to you all and have a great time. BTW...Seaham sounds like a lovely, quaint town. Perhaps if I have the good fortune of visiting the UK again, I will be able to spend a little time in Seaham.
No Longer Amused
USA - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 08:41:36 (PDT)

"knackered knickers"???...LOL...how can they be?...they get no action last I heard.
Amused
USA - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 08:36:14 (PDT)

"Twigger" I know very well when John's Birthday is, (The 12th month of the year) when Jacqueline's Birthday is (2 days after my Birhday.) and when Michael's Birthday is. (2 days before the end of the Month when not a leap year.)
"J" USA
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 08:35:34 (PDT)

So "Twigger" who is the cowardly lion now? Not going to say which of the Armes kid you are??? And what the heck is "Knackered old kinckers" I don't live in that town and no longer speak the "jargen" I have forgot what some of the sayings mean.
J" USA
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 08:26:40 (PDT)

poof to you too, old knackered knickers!
Twigger
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 08:17:07 (PDT)

Oh so which of the "Armes" are you??? The left or the right or the wrong! Jackie or Michael? Also, you are a wee bit slow.. I thought it was obvious who I was. Up until just recently, I have always signed my full name. "Going on 7!" well poof to you! How do you expect me to react when all my info is being distrubted over this G/B??? I am not going to just sit here and take it without defending myself. "J" from USA and "J" me obviously had some stuff to sort out and I think we may have accomplished that, (it is no one's business - what a nosy little town this is - Don't you ever wonder why I never want to come back and sometimes I have thought about it - as we are all grown up! But oh my! no, no, no.. people of this town have to hold grudges and forget that y'all have changed.. so have I... And so what if I have the "knack" of making a hash of somethings - I am not perfect and neither are y'all.
J USA
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 08:15:20 (PDT)

John is 36 going on 37, you are 34 going on 7 by my reckoning, also, twigger is the person who twigged who you were and it does not relate to you being skinny (are you), see how you bollocks up everything you touch or get connected with, bug out bird!
Twigger
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 08:05:01 (PDT)

TO "Jackies age" First, my name is NOT "Jackie" It never has been Jackie - that is not the name I was ever given. I was given "Jacqueline." Also, I am not 36 years old - shows what you know. If I was class of '85 You do the math.
J"USA
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 07:49:52 (PDT)

Amused = Armes - talk about twigger! Poor John is lankey and his sister was also skinny too. You don't need to talk about me being twiggy - y'all were!
"J" USA
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 07:46:41 (PDT)

"twigger" stop! "M" is not from this area it is none of your business. "J" from USA and me, "J" USA know what we are talking about. No one else needs to know. Also, why did you write "J - Jackie" twigger. I am not twigger like I was in school. I may be thin, but not skinny minny!
"J" USA
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 07:44:31 (PDT)

"Ammused" USA fine.. I think we ought to dispense this conversation once and for all. Also, mind you, what I was told from "M" you also told me stuff .. so were you giving me an unbiased perception of the whole thing. I should never have been told any stuff - not from you or from "M" I was so loyal... then got the wrap of also feeling guilty. Okay, okay, enough of this...
"J" USA
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 07:41:15 (PDT)

only one M in amused Jackie
Twigger
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 07:38:44 (PDT)

and "M" could only be, wait for it . . . . . . Marie
Twigger
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 07:37:51 (PDT)

"Ammused" Do you want the schedule or not?
"J"
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 07:36:58 (PDT)

Pack it in you two!
Twigger <(not tigger)>
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 07:36:02 (PDT)

J = Jackie
Twigger <(not tigger)>
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 07:35:46 (PDT)

Should have twigged before now..........AMUSED = ARMES
Twigger <(not tigger)>
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 07:35:21 (PDT)

Come, come now Markie! When your only source of info about an individual is the individual's EX-spouse or Ex-girlfriend, do you really feel you are getting unbiased and objective information about that individual. There is a reason for those two little letters "EX" you know dear. Ah but alas, you always were rather presumptuous as well as naive by actually assuming yourself to be of a higher status than simply a servant. So you see, perhaps it is you that should back off and go about your own business. Now, let's dispense of this matter and let it go. Bye.
Amused
USA - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 07:26:50 (PDT)

"Amused U"------- Just go about your business - You are NOT perfect either you know. I was told many stories about you too for a few weeks from "M" I have questioned them a lot, and never wanted to believe what I was told was true - but you know - I just don't know. You are not perfect and I never ever said I was perfect or try to be above the Saints. I am human and I too, make Human Error, just as you and everyone else does. Just go about your business and I too. (What about the Schedule? Do you want it or not?)
J USA
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 07:12:11 (PDT)

Well said Amused
Supporter of "Amused"
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 06:25:05 (PDT)

Markie, what on Earth are you talking about in your most recent posting?...You have some nerve to assert that YOU have been slandered...you want to talk about slander?...LOL...if I posted a mere fraction of some of things that you have attempted to do to me and others whilst here in the USA, it would keep this G/B buzzing for days. Why would the G/B be buzzing? Because all the folks on here know that you would do as usual and continue to work diligently to hold yourself up to the crowd as some sort of token saint or martyr who could never do any wrong. Remember...you are entitled to your OWN morals and personal convictions, as am I, as is every other person in this great big world. So I leave you with a question, is it really moral to force one's own beliefs on others to the point that it causes true harm of any kind? Come on Markie, get out that good old Catholic conscience...geesh, we already had a Saviour...approximately 2,003 years, so let it go hon.
Amused
USA - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 05:48:00 (PDT)

I REPEAT FOR YOUR BENEFIT.............................................. Markie, you two faced so and so. You liar, you said you would never come back. Keep your word? You couldn't!
U
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 05:39:14 (PDT)

36 to be precise
Jackies age
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 05:35:53 (PDT)

"BeExhibit" Again, Slander !!! I could care less if you knew me at home, I hated living in that town anyway! Everyone knew my business there and was told I would be a society failure from the beginning. Why would I ever want to come back to Seaham anyway for??? Also, I think it is I, who have more grace, I do not "Slander" people's names on this Guest Book. Whereas you, and multitude of others write my full name and slander it. I am a 30 something year old woman, and have more class than most who knew me in school. By the way, I never got pregnanet out of wedlock, (Like many did in school.) have yet to be married, but single by being choosy and keeping "morals" therefore, have not been divorced - as many already have who I knew in school. I do Humanitarian work here in New York and am very happy with what I am doing. I think if I were to come home, you and others may well be surprised. "J" from USA has NOT "Hit the nail on the head" He and I have some form of link due to an "Issue" we were both emotionally involved with. "J" and I are still a little cross with each other. Also, John Armes, according to sources to know him very well.. at the moment he and is wife are separating. Yes, he is still married in the eyes of God and the eyes of the Church and thereore, I would NEVER consider dating such a man. John and I are friends and have had fun via this G/B but it has all been spoilt because of people like yourself who has to slander others people's character on this G/B instead of minding your own business. John and I were just having fun. Anyway, so let us all think about this shall we? who has more grace and class? who slanders people's character on this G/B? who gives out "confidential" information? Who tries to always change the topics to intellectual debates of our soeciety and then who gets slandered again, because I am more reserved than some of you back home, and not to forget, become "Americanized" which you all don't like anyway. So who is always the target? Yes, that is right, it is me! Why? because some of you on here forget that as you grew up and changed - a nd have accomplished things in your lives, so did I grew up, changed and have acomplished some beautiful things in my life and had some wonderful expereinces here in USA and In Germany and Switzerland and other parts of eastern Europe, as it was back then. I think you are all still living back in the early 80's.. and it is time to get back to reality and live in 2003 - and that is not to say, that you have to act like the immoral, loose society of 2003......
Jacqueline
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 04:33:22 (PDT)

Dear Mr. Armes, I have to say, you must have some ego. Not only do you call yourself wise one, but you seem to actively encourage poor Ms. Markie to pour her heart out for you in a most undignified manner infront of heaps of people. It would have been more gentlemanly for you to suggest she e mailed you directly about such personal matters. At first I thought that you hadn't taken this pretty obvious gallant step because of your ego, maybe you like to be praised in public. But now it turns out you have a wife. I took the opportunity to look back through some old e mails from the 1990s and it was refreshing to see how the guestbook was once used for its intended purpose. It seems like Jacqueline needn't worry about John not returning her public affections though, as Marie certainly seems to hero worship Jacqueline, who apparently has more class than any of us who knew her. Strong sentiments indeed. I prefer to tell my wife that I love her in private, but the three of you don't seem to have the maturity to conduct your affairs in private. But you do seem to have flair for being drama queens. Or is the real reason you prefer to heap out praise in public that you don't want someone's wife to read the messages? J seems to have hit the nail on the head when s/he wrote about multiple personalities. Hope James the cat is doing well.
Bunyard's exhibition <bexhibition@aol.com>
seaham, - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 03:09:14 (PDT)

I read the poam Lisa made to her grandad and it brought tears to my eyes I worked with her mam for years but lost touch but if by chance she sees this e-mail I give you my condolances and love to you all from pat and Nadine
pat laing <lilybeth10@hotmail.com>
peterlee, uk - Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 01:36:46 (PDT)

Markie, you two faced so and so. You liar, you said you would never come back. Keep your word? You couldn't!
Unwise One
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 01:24:18 (PDT)

Who think the US road to Peace in Israel will not go through? Just as there will never truly be peace in Northern Ireland, or within Iraq, I think the same for Israel and Palastine - they have been fighting for decades and the hatred is bred within them. They do not know another way of life. I will be very surprised if the peace plan for Israel eventually succeeds. Biblically, it has to, in order for Jesus to return there has to be peace in Israel.
Purple Heather
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 00:36:33 (PDT)

I see that the Boston Diocese has to pay 85million in the largest settlement of the Catholic Church to the 500 or so victims who suffered at the hands of sexual abuse of some of the Priests. As a practicing Catholic I have to say, I am so very glad that the Church is finally paying this settlement. For years it has been covered up by the Bishops and maybe by the Pope? (I hope he did not cover up for it) I do not understand some of the "old ways" of the Catholic Church. A few of my friends attended Catholic school back in the 50's and 60's and they all say the Catholic Schools, which were run by the Priests and Nuns were terrible! I have also seen "Angela's Ashes" based on the life of the Irish Immigrrant "Frank M'Court" where he was treated terrible by the nuns at school and his mother was humiliated by the Priests because she had to go on welfare. Though, most of the Priest and Nuns who have not lived up to their "calling" I am sure will be paying for it in Pugortary. I really enjoy my Catholic faith, because I believe in the Sacraments and in the divine assistance of our Blessed Mother, Mary and the Saints (just as we do really in the Church of England - as we, C of E and R.C both say the Nicene Creed.) But I disagree with the Catholic Politics very much. I also disagree that it is perceived a 'sin" for a Catholic to receive Communion in a non- Catholic Church - I just don't get that, and never will. Because if I were to ever return to Seaham I would attend St. John's Church and be very comfortable receiving my Communion there. Anyway... just wanted to share with you all the latest news here in USA.. Aside from the other Political "War" news.----------------- I think we need to get our G/B back to some sense! Stop witht the "Cat Fighting!" We are all above that - I hope and can all move on without grudges.
Purple Heather.
- Wednesday, September 10, 2003 at 00:28:35 (PDT)

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chicoutimi, canada - Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 20:49:34 (PDT)

"Debs" Thank you so much for your kind and wonderful e-mail. You poor thing! You were right, if you already knew "Wise One" was John Armes, then who else knew "Wise One" was John Armes. It did not take a rocket sciencist to figure it out.... "John" you were NOT discreet enough - we both goofed up. ---------------------------------------------- Anyway, People, Debs is right, people are messing around with my mind and playing stupid games and just being pain old mean and I am naive and kind enough to fall for it. As Marie said, I am taking a lot of "poop" and for what? I guess I leave myself "Wide open" to be a target - because I am not sly enough - and live by principles. -------------------------------------------------------------------- I think, People, we neeed to move on to more sensible topics and stop this childish bickering and put downs. No one is perfect, we ALL have "Human Error" within us and we all have "Goofed Up" big time at sometime in our lives. Which one of you on this G/B lives the perfect life? And are the perfect human beings that God desires of us? Not one of us are Saints------------------------------ Just as I owe a pubic apology to "Debs" I think we ALL owe an aoplogy to everyone else on this Guest Boodk..................................We need to get it back to the fun it once was. No one's private lives ought to ever be revealed on this G/B - because we ALL have a story or two to tell that we may be embarrased about. If one wants to put me down for my faults then I sure could name many others for their faults too................................................... It should not take for me to get a beautiful, caring e-mail from a life long friend who is also disgusted with how people are targeting at me, Nor should it take for me to write this posting on this G/B for y'all to just stop with the cruel, unkind slander. I do not reveal people's real name on this G/B Nor do I reveal people's confidential private actions on this G/B - so why is it that you all want to reveal my name and have fun putting me down - we are all 30 something - So why in God's name are we all acting like stupid, small-minded, ignorant people from the back woods? People in USA must love to laugh at this G/B and make fun of it. It has become pathetic. I will admit to my part of "winding" people up to get on my case, but it does not have to go as far as it has..... people, lets think about what reputation we are giving of ourselves - and what it is that we really want to give.... Have a nice day everyone - And "Debs" again, I apologize I made a terrible mistake. Glad we cleared it up and glad we can still be friends.
Jacqueline
- Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 19:32:06 (PDT)

"James the cat" is getting fat because he eats too much Taco Bell, Hot Dogs and Grey Poupon - and not enough organic Hot Dogs, Vegetables, Fruit and Yo-Baby Organic Yogurts. "James the cat" is very furry with a long tail - "James the cat" can be very cute when he wants and funny....So I say, James the cat, needs to find his funny bouncy playful personality - and be the kind cat, That James the cat ought to be.
Meow....
- Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 18:49:08 (PDT)

OLDER RETIRED GOOD LOOKING WIDOWED MALE LOOKING FOR THE SAME IN A OLDER WOMEN.I AM A NUDIST FOR OVER 30 YEARS AND HAVE GONE TO RESORSTS WITH MY LATE WIFE.I WOULD TO GO AGAIN WITH A WOMEN WHO IS ALSO A NUDIST
AL LOGAN <HOTDOG1930@WEBTV.COM>
SOUTHAMPTON, NEW YORK U.S.A. - Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 16:32:29 (PDT)

"J" "USA" I am NOT answering my own posts!!!!! Someome is messing around with my name on this Guest Book and it is really annoying me!!!! And I am NOT a bit off either - I just get annoyed wiht people who are being pathetic on this Guest Book. For the most part I sign my own name Now people have decided to sign my name for me - For crying out loud! This Guest Book is really getting juvenile - and Why on earth I am ALWAYS the one who is PICKED at??? Marie you have a point and thanks for the support. I hope you are well. My mom says she sees you from time to time.
"J" 2
- Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 13:00:28 (PDT)

As someone who knows her better than I would have ever cared to do in 3 lifetimes (much less 1), I say it looks as though Markie has multiple personalities and one of them has finally come out to stay. She has started to answer her own posts for heaven's sake. When I was told she was a bit off, I initially dismissed the thought; however, the recent posts to the G/B require me to rethink that issue.
J
USA - Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 12:20:46 (PDT)

Which "Jacjkie" are you referring to. Our G/B "Jacqueline" is not "jacjkie" nor, "Jackie." She works in New York with a Humanitarian Organisation. Why is everyone giving her a hard time? You are all just causing trouble for her and you know, she is a lovely young lady. She is beyond this stuff on this G/B. I don't know why she bothers with any of you or with Seaham. Jacqueline, take my advice, and never come back home and stay away from this G/B the people on here are not worth you getting hurt over. You are above all of this. Now I know what you mean when you told me that you can never "fit" back in Seaham. I am sorry I never quite understood before. I think you are right, Seaham is no longer your home, you were not welcomed when you were home, they all picked at you, and you are not welcomed now. You have grown away from the mentality of some of the small minded people here in Seaham. Not all of us are small minded, just some on this G/B who want to pick at you. Go live your life Jacqueline and don't worry about anyone here.
Marie
- Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 11:14:50 (PDT)

you mean you did not now that Jacjkie was a teecher there
you no me
- Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 09:08:06 (PDT)

I hear in New York they have just opened a school for Gays! And so no one feels "left out" anyone who is straight can also attend. The Homosexual community are now pushing their lifestyle on to the rest of society. Obviously if there is a school opening for homosexuals, it is going to attract curiosity in our youths actions. People who are my age and older, you have got to be as shocked as I am!
Shocked and Appauled!
- Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 07:22:46 (PDT)

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- Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 06:57:40 (PDT)

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- Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 03:53:23 (PDT)

Who again who has the affairs? Is it you and "A" - The teacher???? I can ask most people in the town and they all say it was you having the affairs - oh my! Your poor wife. As for the "teacher" tut, tut, tut..... And by teh way, I think it is I, who has been the more graceful one.. I don't expose such "Confidential" information on the Guest Book. Nor do I expose people's real names. You may think you are slandering my character - but people on this G/B know me better. I have found someone's husband to be cute - but affairs - NEVER!!! "Don't forget "True Yank" the reasons of our issues - Wasn't it over Principles, Values and Morals??? To this day, You and "A" are beyond me with what you guys did right after ... the huge "hoopla"..... I hope you are very proud of yourselves. Lets agree to disagree - use this G/B if you want, but leave my name alone. Thank you.
I think you know.
- Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 03:31:45 (PDT)

As everyone seems to be getting poetic lately, I thought I'd add a poem which I read recently which really moved me & It's my memorial to those who lost their lives in the September 11th attack. Sorry I can't post this on the actual anniversary, but I will not be able to make a posting on that day. I read of a man who stood to speak at the funeral of a friend. He referred to the dates which will be on her tombstone, from the beginning...to the end. He noted that first came her date of birth & spoke the following date with tears, but he said what mattered most of all was the Dash between those years (1964 - 2001) For the dash represents all the time that she spent alive on earth....and now only those who loved her knew what that little line is worth. For it matters not, how much we own, the cars...the house.....the cash, what matters is how we live & love & how we spend our dash. So think about this long & hard.....are there things you'd like to change? for you never know how much time is left that can still be rearranged. If we could just slow down enough to consider what's true & what is real, and always try to understand the way other people feel. And be less quick to anger, and show appreciation more & love the people in our lives, like we've never loved before. If we treat each other with respect & more often wear a smile, remembering that this special dash might only last a little while. So, when your eulogy's being read, with your life's actions to rehash, would you be proud of the things they say, about how you spent your dash? (and to everyone alive today)......it's God who gives this precious life & god who takes away, But that dash between he gives to us to do with what we may, we know Gods written the first date down of each & every one, and we know those hands will write again for the last date has to come, We know he'll write the last date down, and soon, we know for some, but upon the dash between the dates I hope he'll write 'well done'.
Butterfly stomach
- Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 02:36:46 (PDT)

Oh, I also have a theory, James the Cat was Markie trying to cover her tracks after she exposed John Armes as Wise One.
Alfred Ucker <East Coast USA>
- Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 02:18:53 (PDT)

Been following this story for a while now, it's great fun. Good advice to Markie, BUG OUT! Also isn't it about time Mrs A. got a call explaining what is happening between her husband and an old flame. Better still, call Mr A's family, maybe around the 5th of November then you Seaham folks could have a fantastic fireworks display, but it would stink a little when the "stuff" hits the fan, according to Markie they don't see eye to eye. Keep your heads down folks! WISE ONE wasn't so wise after all, by the way, where is he these days?
Alfred Ucker <East Coast USA>
- Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 02:13:39 (PDT)

For Marie Jacqueline's friend - - let's hope it's not someone else's husband, she's been known! Let's hope it's a single man who she turns into a husband. As for you Jackie, I thought you were staying off the site, YOU'VE LOWERED YOURSELF TO A LEVEL BELOW THE NORMAL STANDARDS ON THIS BOOK BY WRITING USING FALSE NAMES SUCH AS "YOU KNOW" AND "YOUR FRIEND" Just goes to show, you can take the girl out of Seaham but you can't take the Seaham out of the girl. flying your true (low) colors now Jackie! Do the honourable thing, do what you said you would do, BUG OUT once and for all (of our sakes)
True Yank
- Tuesday, September 09, 2003 at 01:38:22 (PDT)

Great good morning
smart <http://www.starsfakes.net/>
USA - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 22:03:44 (PDT)

Have a nice Day http://www.geilestars.net
smart <celebs@gmx.de>
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 22:02:16 (PDT)

To "J" what are you referring to? I did not write the message in regards to "Valentine" signed " Your Friend" ............ That person is obviously British if you take a closer look at the spelling. I spell things the American way - I never spell British, unless I goof up on my American spelling. The person who wrote that message, I know and it was NOT me writing it for you "JR" he was writing it to me.......... I would like to know what you are talking about and be discreet - thank you. You wrote... "What a sweet, sweet message Ms. Markie! I bet it took you a while to find just the right one. LOL. Sad, sad, sad indeed love. J - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 12:36:05 (PDT) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ last message to a Friend. A Valentine isn't always A husband or a wife. It doesn't only have to be the one With whom you'll spend your life. A Valentine can be your oldest friend Or a friend that is brand new. And one of my favourite Valentines Just happens to be YOU!!! Your Friend - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 11:54:23 (PDT)
you know!
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 17:59:52 (PDT)

Shirlet Temple.....i'll do something constructive when you stop your whinging & nagging. what you say? sounds fair to me.
from me
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 16:14:29 (PDT)

Jacqueline this is Marie again. I hope all these people on this guest book are not taking the 'mick' out of you. I have said beore, I know Jacqueline, I have done for years and she is the nicest person you could get to know. Why are you giving her a hard time? And Jacqueline why are you taking it? I think it is horrible how you are all behaving on this guest book toward Jacqueline. I know she is not perfect and does not have the perfect life in America, because no one has the perfect life. But she does a lot of good for others. leave her alone and move on to other topics. Jacqueline you are letting people pick at you as you did in school. You are above all of us who grew up together, you have done more than any of us and continued to be strong and just go on with life. You might not be a millionair, but you have taken care of yourself since you moved away years ago. You are now a grown woman and have more class than us who knew you in school. Jacqueline don't let these people on here take the "mick' out of you. You are too nice for your own good. I hope you meet a husband soon.
Marie Jacqueline's friend
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 14:58:29 (PDT)

I think Seaham lad is someone who lives in America. Thanksgiving gives it away.
Seaham resident.
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 14:49:15 (PDT)

"J" find the right what?!!!!
I am busy!
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 14:46:02 (PDT)

"A friend" there are a few "J"'s on here - Perhaps you mean yourself - instead of being a "one" maybe you ought to go and see "one"
"A friend"
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 14:38:03 (PDT)

I see the OUT-PATIENTS are out in force in GB land.
Critics Choice
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 14:26:20 (PDT)

"J" I think you're already in a room with Attendants with white coats on
a Friend
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 12:54:05 (PDT)

Oh stop it you two. You are bloody well bringing me to tears. *sniffle* Get a room already...
J
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 12:45:08 (PDT)

My friend - thank you. Maturity sure does change one... I hope to see you sometime. You are my valentine too... (purple heather))
my friend
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 12:42:04 (PDT)

What a sweet, sweet message Ms. Markie! I bet it took you a while to find just the right one. LOL. Sad, sad, sad indeed love.
J
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 12:36:05 (PDT)

last message to a Friend. A Valentine isn't always A husband or a wife. It doesn't only have to be the one With whom you'll spend your life. A Valentine can be your oldest friend Or a friend that is brand new. And one of my favourite Valentines Just happens to be YOU!!!
Your Friend
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 11:54:23 (PDT)

As the days grow shorter and the trees shed their leaves, We greet frosty mornings and an occasional freeze. Our hearts fill with gratitude as we look back on the year, Knowing that Thanksgiving Day is very, very near. We dream of juicy turkeys with all the trimmings too, We quickly make a list of all we need to do. Anticipating the warmth and love shared with family and friends, Looking forward to the memories when that special day ends. As we reflect on our many blessings, both great and small, We remember you Lord, for you are the greatest blessing of all. Some of our memories of this past year, we'd like to erase, But we thank you Lord, for your sustaining, amazing grace. You've shared your love and comfort in the form of a friend, Through a warm hug, simple smile, or encouraging word they'd send. Or you'd shower us with peace that only you can provide, To simply reassure us that you are at our side. You've given us a rainbow of color in vibrant display, In the leaves of the trees as they gently blow away. We never have to look very far if it's your blessings we seek, Just help us keep our eyes open every day of the week. Our list of blessings will soon greatly overflow, If we simply count our blessings and let our worries go. Thank you Lord, for your love and your unending care, As we strive to be more grateful throughout the coming year.
Seahamlad
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 11:49:25 (PDT)

Mommy, will you tell me, about Jesus, long ago? When He was just a little boy, Please tell me if you know. Did He ever get in trouble, for tracking up the floor? When He washed His neck and ears, did his Mother say, wash more? Did Jesus love to play in water, and run through puddles deep? Did He find frogs and spiders, that He would want to keep? Was He a little boy like me, that trouble seemed to follow? Did He always hate the medicine, That His Mother said to swallow? I would love to know if Jesus, was always good in school? Did His teacher ever scold Him? Did He follow every rule? Mommy, will you tell me about Jesus long ago? I want to be a boy like Him, That's why I want to know.
Seahamlad
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 11:47:11 (PDT)

She will know-------------------S.W It has been sent. Thanks for the friendly reminder.
She will know
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 11:19:32 (PDT)

Are you serious Markie?
Shirley Knot
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 10:10:16 (PDT)

"from me" go and do something constructive you dopey nag.
Shirlet Temple
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 08:11:09 (PDT)

Do not forget to pay your "debts" before you leave young lady.
She will know
USA - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 08:04:16 (PDT)

You will all be pleased to hear that I will not be returning to this G/B again. I am bored with it now. I wish to take this opportunity to thank you all for your past interest. May God be with you all.
Jacqueline
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 05:52:19 (PDT)

"from me" go and do something constructive you dopey nag.
Shirlet Temple
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 05:24:38 (PDT)

Who the heck is"James the cat??!!" I know two "James's and both are American - Both are kind of goofballs!
pure rose
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 04:24:15 (PDT)

dopey I may be, but a mare? neigh, i am not female!
from me
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 03:53:20 (PDT)

"from me" go and do something constructive you dopey mare.
Shirlet Temple
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 03:33:12 (PDT)

Oops, i meant anonymous!
From me
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 03:19:39 (PDT)

Michael Barraclough......it proves that i want to remain ananymous, which is my right. Just because i do not add my real name (& what is to say that Michael Barraclough is Your real name....only you know the answer to that) does not mean that I have no rights to opinions or to defend those you are being nasty to. Using real names does not stop you being a jerk any more than those who use an alias.
from me
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 03:17:34 (PDT)

you wrote, "you already put in your name (or alias)" ...........just like you do eh? My name's Michael, and yours is? That proves something!
Michael Barraclough
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:28:42 (PDT)

Michael Barraclough, what is your problem? no need to be so nasty. The site would not 'die' through having to store a password. You cannot get into hundreds of thousands of websites without having a password and they do just fine, what is different about this site that having a password would kill it off? I along with Jacqueline & Essare7 think it would be a good idea. This guestbook is getting a bit boring with all the 'i didn't say that' postings & the 'repetitive' postings, that is what would kill people off the guestbook, not the storing of one single password. when you add a message to the guestbook you already put in your name (or alias) so adding one tiny little password would be no hardship & would stop people using the same screen name through an in valid password.
from me
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:19:59 (PDT)

Markie, re your comments, "To "Essare7" I, Jacqueline....... Appreciate very much your intelligent sugestion - I think we ought to ask Ed to set up a private password system for this G/B use" What a stupid idea, as it means only you and two or three other nutters would register and the site would die. Why don't you just email each other direct? Save all the hassle! For example, can you imagine all the people who pop in just to say 'hello' or 'nice site' waiting for approval and the issue of a password, as I said before, the site would die, and you would be the cause!! Take a step back and think about what the heck you are saying, get your head into gear before you strike the keyboard. Oh, and one other thing - GROW UP WOMAN!!!
Michael Barraclough
Murton, - Monday, September 08, 2003 at 02:06:51 (PDT)

James the cat.......you are not all that!
bow wow wow woof
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:52:28 (PDT)

Jimmy, you caught any!
Arthur the Dog
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:49:19 (PDT)

My names James, James the cat. Ive had fame, money and all that. Now I am here growing fat. Chasing birds and butterflies James the cat!
James the cat
- Monday, September 08, 2003 at 01:42:52 (PDT)

To all who are troubled on this GB: LORD teach me how to still my racing thoughts. Help me to come to you, arguing nothing, pleading nothing, asking nothing. Exept to be still in YOUR presence. Give me the faith that will enable me to lay my burdens at YOUR feet, and to leave them there in exchange for the peace which passes all understanding.
Brian Greenfingers
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 23:05:58 (PDT)

Friends Reunited TV programme is totally dicredited here in England. 99% of British TV is total crapp, they are constantly scraping the bottom of the barrel to make cheap and nasty TV progs.
Critics Choice
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 22:23:15 (PDT)

like your cool page !!! best wishes, astrid
telefonsex dominas <telefonsex dominas>
Salzburg, at Austria - Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 22:00:03 (PDT)

Seahamlad, how many pints you had too-see your grammer and you get less than a D!
Brian Greenfingers
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 21:30:40 (PDT)

To "Essare7" I, Jacqueline....... Appreciate very much your intelligent sugestion - I think we ought to ask Ed to set up a private password system for this G/B use - ASAP! Then you would be right, that no two people could use the same name. That way, people who intentionally want to cause trouble, and who have yet to grow up, who still behave like they were catty kids in high school, instead of 30 something, well rounded, dignified, intelligent people, cannot stir intentional trouble. I don't think the "person" who did what he/she did today, realizes how shallow he/she has made him/herself look. No one on the G/B agrees with what he/she did - because the person is purposely spoiling this G/B for everyone else. It is actually rather nice to be able to see your postings within a few minutes, rather than waiting for Ed to "Censor" them, before he can post them, to be sure people are not being purposely offensive to others, or posting "Confidential" information. However, some people seem to think they can "abuse" the G/B privilages and intentionally try to stir up issues when they know very well indeed some of the 'family" histories of two people. I am very cross about a few of the postings today and I know John is cross too. It was unfair to both of us. Now you know why, that a few of us who moved away from the town over 15 years ago now, have no desire to ever want to return. The people I mingle with over here are well educated people, well rounded, dignified kind, gentle people - and just nice people who do not intentionally hurt others. I no longer understand some of the vindictive narrow minded behavior of a small pertentage of some of the people in Seaham. That kind of behavior is beyond me. Let me tell you, and be honest too... I have ran into my fair share of people here in USA who I have disliked due to their lack of dignity, but what I do is discuss the issues to their face or via e-mail or voice mail. I would not purposely betray confidential information for the world to read.... What that person did today, was disrespectful to John and his family and to myself. It was a malicious "dig-in".... And neither John or myslef are amused. Essare7 you have made an excellent sugestion and I think Ed should seriously think about using a password system ASAP!
Jacqueline
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 18:01:30 (PDT)

reading through todays postings, there seems to be someone using regular guest screen names & messing about. Why does this site not have a password for anyone wishing to write in, so that no two people could write with the same screen name & cause trouble. would it be so hard to set up?
Essare7
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 16:23:51 (PDT)

To "Am I right" who on earth are you then? Are you British? Are you male or female? You must know me from school then to know such info... And that was not nice to be so juvenile to betray such confidence - not just about me, but about John. He is a nice man and does not deserve to have his name blrted all over this G/B against his will and without his permission. Just shows that you have lack respect for him also.
Not your friend!
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 15:11:12 (PDT)

Sorry Jaquiline but Im not debs !whoever SHE may be! Try AGAIN
am i right
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 14:35:04 (PDT)

My Friend, parting is such sorrow (nothing sweet about it!) will take your advice, will catch you (usual place)
Your Friend
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 14:25:28 (PDT)

Brian Greenfinger, When you waxed poetically, how many pints had you had? quite a few according to your spelling.
Seahamlad
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 14:17:08 (PDT)

I, Jacqueline did NOT write this.. Whoever it is - just stop!!! You are making yourself look an idiot! I am so upset I am going to have to go and buy new batteries! Jacqueline USA, - Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 12:21:38 (PDT)
Jacqueline
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 13:11:42 (PDT)

There's a definate autumnal feel to the air and I've just noticed now. My beans are still bursting out all over and I've some strawberries still in the greenhouse. A concer fell on my head as I walked through the park, the trees are gradually changing colour....Red yellow green and gold the leaves come down in hosts. They once were Indian Princes but now they've turned to ghosts.
Brian Greenfingers
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 13:01:55 (PDT)

Ohoho great site, i realy love you. Linka
linka karaten <ionalinka.com>
Kerry city, nj usa - Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 12:52:32 (PDT)

I am so upset I am going to have to go and buy new batteries!
Jacqueline
USA, - Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 12:21:38 (PDT)

"Seahamlad" are those your own poetry and prayers? Or, did you copy them? If they are your own... Wow! How beautiful - and I wish people would live them... Then our world would be a better place. Even if you copied them from somewhere, I am so glad you are posting them - Our G/B needs them to remind people of the Lord and to remind people not to be intentionally hurting others feelings.
sunshine smile
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 10:13:46 (PDT)

Oh and besides which.. don't you think "Wise One" already knows "we" still have a "School girl/boy" flutteries for each other. Come on.. person.. He and I are two years age difference.. which means I am 34 he is 36 going on 37 years old..... He and I have more class and dignity than to intentionally give out confidential info about one another. He and I know more about each other, than anyone else on this G/B from our town - that is. He and I will always be life long friends - We go back a long, long time..... We also took very different paths in our journey of life since finishing school.. And depsite both of our struggles, We have made it through life, because of our love for God and because of our basic values and principles that both of our parents installed in us. I am proud to have him as my friend.... Don't you think we both just have fun on this G/B? Of course we do.... So please don't be narrow minded, person, and spoil this G/B for the rest of us and the world by printing confidential information. If you have something to say, then privately e-mail....
Jacqueline
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 09:45:26 (PDT)

I, Jacqueline... Did NOT write these two messages!!! At all!!!! And I am NOT ammused! I think the person who did it, is shallow! And juvenile! And lacks class. That was confidential information! Also, I am sick of this mystery and want you all to know John Armes is "wise one" and I still have a crush on him, there, it's said and done and in the open. Sorry John but I do still care a lot about you. Jacqueline - Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 06:57:51 (PDT) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ see me and hear me at this site www.friendsreunited.co.uk/FriendsReunited.asp?wci=MemberNotes&member_key=13266969 Jacquline Markie - Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 06:54:36 (PDT)
Jacqueline
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 09:34:12 (PDT)

"Wise One" change your screen name.... let me know at alater date discreetly, then i will be more careful. Obviously one small person in Seaham chose to give out confidential information - which is proving that when Ed is out of town, people abuse this Guest Book - which proves that Ed still needs to "Censor" what goes on this Guest Book. - That is rather pathetic! If you ask me and many others around the world would agree. That information was intentionally posted on this G/B to cause trouble and animosity - it was not an accident at all - period!!!! What you have done, (the person who betrayed the confidence intentionally) is made yourself look really bad and lack class. No more said - thank you. Poeple, lets not abuse our grreat and fun Guest Book by intentionally giving out confidential information and by being catty and by putting up a posting, and then signing the person's name you are talking about. People, most of us are in our mid to late 30's .. So come on and lets not be showing a shallow mentality of "Small" town behavior. There are a lot of nice people on this G/B and for one person to intentionally give out confidential information was rather shallow.
A strong advocate for this G/B and the proper use for it.
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 09:28:52 (PDT)

"Debs" you were told that information in confidence. "Wise One" is smart enough to know I would not betray his confidence and have more "class." Ed will be removing that imporant info you gave out in refernece in "friends"... Debs count us from now on... no longer friends.. We will agree to ingore on another and AGREE to use this site for other opinions other than giving out important confidential information.
Not a friend!
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 08:42:27 (PDT)

Could be!
Are you right?
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 07:27:34 (PDT)

I have a secret suspicion that this John Armes bloke is also Seaham/harbourlad too. Am I right?
am i right?
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 07:15:59 (PDT)

Also, I am sick of this mystery and want you all to know John Armes is "wise one" and I still have a crush on him, there, it's said and done and in the open. Sorry John but I do still care a lot about you.
Jacqueline
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 06:57:51 (PDT)

see me and hear me at this site www.friendsreunited.co.uk/FriendsReunited.asp?wci=MemberNotes&member_key=13266969
Jacquline Markie
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 06:54:36 (PDT)

"Critics Choice" I am zipping off to Mass now, but we are an ocean apart. That is why I made sugestions to Church Street, because I have no idea what is there now, and what is not. People seem to have complained in the recent past about the lack of quality shopping in Church Street. I remember shopping at this place called Dogherts are something like that... it kind of sold a bit of everything; I remember the toys and games. Then, I remember Clarke's shoe shop. (I still wear Clarkes slip on leather clog things - they are comfy!) I remember too, that shop called Pennywise and Liptons, Woolworths, Boots the Chemist. I remember a whool shop owned by Amanda Phillips Mom, and Elaine's hairdressers owned by Andrea Spurr's mom. I remember Nicholson's the Bakery, Simpsons, Murley's, Chalks the fruiters, Chaytors the Butchers, and Dees Supermarket. I remember the pet shop down at the bottom of church street and I remember the "Co-op" it was down that cut thing, between Tyne Street - My friend, Dawn Williams and her sister Jodie (Joanne Williams) use to live there. I always remember the Post Off ice, you would stand ages in line waiting to be served! There was a bank beside it and a Building Society. Then, over the road was a shoe repair shop.. Debs use to work in there while she was going to college. Oh I remember Maraties the toy shop, you went in and you were never allowed to touch anything! I remember along the Sea Front was that Arcade place.. Andrea Spurr and I use to spend all of our pennies on some of those games. My parents would have a fit with me if they knew I was in there - It was off limits to me, but I would still go! My dad said it was only for "riff-raffs" who have nothing better to do - but I liked going in there. Didn't they have like a Bingo thing there too. Oh.. What memories! Well now I need to skoot to Mass...
Jacqueline
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 06:46:27 (PDT)

picture Him above, With His head in His hands, Tears streaming down His fingers Falling all across this land. Teardrops from heaven, Tapping on you and I, As our Father silently pleads 'Why, my children, why?' Cry no more, Father, Please, cry no more, I'll do all you ask, I'll walk through any door. Forgive me if I've sinned, Forgive me if I've hurt your heart, And bless me with courage needed To always do my part. Open any door, Light any road, And I'll be there, Father, To lighten someone's load. Show me a wounded soul, Give me a tear to wipe, Lead me to an empty hand, Let me hear a cry at night. Fill this heart with love, Teach me a pretty song, And I'll be someone's hope When their hope is gone. Cry no more, Father, Please, cry no more, Just come and take my hand And lead me to a door. Any door at all, Doesn't matter where it leads, I just want you to know In you I do believe. Teach me a pretty song, Let me hear a cry at night, Then you and I will walk Hand in hand, light to light.
Seahamlad
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 06:17:58 (PDT)

Jacqueline, actually, peaspudding was most of Seaham's staple diet when I was Knee-high to a grasshopper. There was food rationing at that time and if people think they have it tough now-they hav'nt lived. There has just been a Cambridge University survey sugesting that; why a large percentige of the British populatin is in debt at the moment, is because they are GREEDY! I personaly disagree with the Uni conclusion. People had been suppressed for so long by the ruling classes. Well can you blame them for wanting to let their hair down a little. By the way, talking of hair; there is another "THE SALON" comming up on Channel 4 .com Cheers.
Critics Choice
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 06:16:33 (PDT)

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Critics Choice
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 05:51:30 (PDT)

To "Critics Choice" Yes, I think you maybe right, I am not sure Blair and Bush will have a good chance of getting relelected for the next term. I was all for supporting the War, but had no idea it would drag on like this - I feel dreadful for our Soldiers and their families. I feel dreadful anyway, because I really should not support War... But I felt we could not allow Saddam Hussain to continue to be in power. This War is not the end you know, people..... It is only the beginning of some horrible times to come.
Jacqueline
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 05:41:32 (PDT)

"Brian Greenfingers" I remember those mince pies that you could buy at Murley's Bakery shop. (not the sweet mince, the regular kind.) I use to work in Simpsons Bakery on a Saturday when I was 16 yeras old, while I was going to college - and I can't remember how many of those "Stotties" I sold to people. I think they were something like 36p... I also remember that tea shop called "Valenties" I use to like going there and eating their "Cornbeef Toastie Sandwiches." Oh.. I know what I never eat over here, because I don't think we have it.. It is "Peaspudding" (That is that kind of yellow spread thing, that you put on your ham sandwiches in a bun) I remember too, that at Elementry School, back in 1973 I could purchase a packet of Crisps for only 5p Then i think by the time I finished school in 1985 Crisps were about 15p - Now I have been told they are around 25p or more! I remember Mars Bars were 10p...... Well last night I went to the Irish pub and I had real Heinz Baked Beans! Oh, did I enjoy them!!! I had them with "Bangers and Mash." But today I will go back to my "American" style of eating.... Anyway.. have a super day
Jacqueline
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 05:36:27 (PDT)

"Brian Greenfingers" I too was Confirmed in Durham Cathedral on Monday April 11th 1983. It was such a beautiful experience. I had just turned 14 years old, three weeks prior to my Confirmation and I really took it very seriously. I knew Confirmation was all about truly accepting Jesus into my heart and life. I remember that year there were about 200 of us being Confirmed from all the Churches in the area. It must have been delightful for all the parents and relatives to have watched 200 teenagers processing down the isle of the Cathedral wearing crisp suits for the boys and white dresses for the girls. (I remember how I loved my Confirmation dress!) All teenagers who were accepting Jesus into our their lives and taking for the first time the body and blood of our Lord. I remember I was the first one to be Confirmed by the Bishop of Jarrow that evening.. followed by Andrea Spurr (as she was right next to me.) I do have to honestly say, my Church of England Confirmation was more significant than my Roman Catholic Confirmation April 1994.
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- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 05:25:17 (PDT)

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Oh! for a large stotty and red leicester or pork dripping. Gran used to put the stotties out on the front window-sill to cool after baking....Ah, faces in the fire as I sow and I sit and think on days of innocence, halcyon days indeed. Later I was confirmed in Durham Cathedral. Did you know Oliver Cromwell put 3000 Scottish prisoners there during one of his wars. Speaking of old Oliver, is Brian Oliver still in the land of the living? Or still down in Leicster-engineering?
Brian Greenfingers
- Sunday, September 07, 2003 at 00:16:52 (PDT)

I Did mention the fact that Uncle Sam would have to make sure a lot of body-bags were sent to Iraq befor the war started. War of any kind is pure folly, the Iraq war proves it. Empires do crumble, the American Empire has began it's decline. Namely on piles of young American dead, Bush and Blair will be deposed on the next ballots I recon.
Critics Choice
- Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 22:29:38 (PDT)

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Critics Choice
- Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 14:57:36 (PDT)

"Our Faith Will Not Be Shaken" On September 11, 2001 A tragedy struck our land Maybe it's because our trust in God wavered, And we turned loose of his hand. This evil force that took innocent lives Needs to understand that God is in control, That he will protect his children, And he will continually cleanse their soul. The nation has united together To remember the lives that were taken, But we want you to know the Lord is our King, And our faith will not be shaken. The Bible teaches that the Lord will come back As a thief in the middle of the night, But until then we will not be torn down, But will live a life that is right. Yes this may be a wake up call To the ones that are living in sin, Because when the trumpet sounds and Jesus comes back, It will be too late then. So we all should get ready for that day When worldly things will be no more, Our soul being saved will be all that matters, And we can live on heaven's fair shore.
Harbour/Seahamlad
- Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 14:40:27 (PDT)

When I was just a teen age lad, Our country was attacked. Japan ambushed our Navy, 'Cause we had turned our back. You thought that by past actions, That we had lost our will to fight. You've mistaken all our kindness And now you'll feel our might. For now, another blow's been struck, By someone yet unknown. They thought that they could bring us down, But now they're all alone. No country dare protect them, There's no place where they can hide. The world must decide today, If they are on our side. For a giant has been wakened, And together we will stand. We will find and turn them out, In any foreign land. You never, ever, pick a fight, That you have no chance to win. What kind of Heaven do you seek, If you get there through a sin? The world as we know it, Will no longer be the same. But you will now be sent to hell, You've got yourself to blame. But, for one thing I am thankful, In the many flags, I see. We have united once again, I'm as proud as I can be. The terrorists has made his move, Our country still stands free. Old Glory waves from many homes, From sea to shining sea. You may have won this battle, But the war has just begun. We won't rest until you're found, We got you on the run. You made your move, you struck your blow, And yet we still stand tall, Free people never start a fight, But they answer every call. These cowards now will never sleep, GOD may forgive their soul. We will place them in the grave, For they have dug the hole. My only wish, I know it's wrong, But before the killers die, I hope the victim's voices rise, And they hear the mournful cries.
Harbourlad
- Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 14:36:56 (PDT)

The sky is dark the moon is high God keep us safe tonight. Let peace befall us once again, Lead us to the light. Justice must be done We know that this is right But as we go to sleep, God keep us safe tonight. We know Your tears are falling On each and every land, God keep us safe tonight, Hold us by the hand. So many praying hard To hope that peace will reign, God keep us safe tonight, Heal all the world of pain.
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- Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 14:33:35 (PDT)

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Berlin, de germany - Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 13:19:00 (PDT)

"Friend of Uncle Sam" Thank you for a lovely posting. I too am very proud to be part of America and was very sad indeed when our country was attacked September 11th 2001. I will be wearing my Red, White and Blue this Thursday, will be attending Mass and will offer all my prayers for the families of those killed as well as for the souls of those killed. Will also pray very hard that our country will not be attacked again. We need to pray so hard for this "Iraq" situation to be cleared up soon - because as far as I am concerned.. We are still at War.. our soldiers are being killed almost every other day - and our poor troops in Afghanistan are just being forgotten about. I think it is dreadful how the Politicians have switched gears and are now only focusing on Iraq - where is that Osma Bin Laden??? That is what September 11th 2001 was all about, not about Iraq.
Jacqueline
- Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 10:17:33 (PDT)

To "SeahamLad" I read the beautiful pray of "Our Lord" with tears in my eyes. It is not so easy being a Christian you know; because we all have human imperfection within us - I make so many Human erros all the time and I am one of the one's who attends Mass each day, says Novena's, goes to Confession and tries so hard to follow my faith. yet, I fall into being judgemental, putting my standards onto others and really getting uptight with how society is at the moment. I do rather well at forgiving others, but I do not do so well at forgiving myself if I blunder. I love God and Jesus and adore my Christian faith - but it is not always easy to be the Christian God asks of us. I try so hard to always remember Mother Tersa's words... "Each face you see, is the face of Jesus Christ." meaning, always be kind, loving, gentle and compassionate to others. - Thankyou "SeahamLad" for posting that very important message to all of us. The Lord's Prayer - and I think we all need to say it with sincere meaning in our hearts. I was at mass today, and some of the people just say the prayer and the "Hail Mary" like they were in a race and did not even think of the words they were saying..... "Seahamlad" have a very beautiful day... Your Guest Book friend.... Jacqueline
Jacqueline
- Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 10:10:38 (PDT)

I love my freedom, I love my home. I love my country which stands so strong. I love the fact that I am free. I love the Lord who watches over me! I ache with pain when things go bad. I ache over the sorrow that we've just had. I ache because some madmen caused so much pain. I ache to think they may try it again! I pray for our president who carries the load. I pray for his strength as he walks down this road. I pray for our nation - united as one. I pray for God's will to be done! I cry for the people who lost so much. I cry for the loved ones that we can no longer touch. I cry for the pain - I cry for the sorrow. I cry out to God - "Make it better tomorrow"! I know this nation is strong and brave. I know that everywhere you see Old Glory wave. I know that somehow we'll make it through. I know Americans stand tall and true! I wish for the peace to come back again. I wish for this time of mourning to end. I wish we could get on with our lives. I wish the terrorists were all locked inside! I hope as an American, you'll all stand true. I hope you revere the Red, White and Blue. I hope we don't have to suffer anymore. I hope we don't have to relive what happened before! I think that no matter what we may do. I think the pride for our nation shines through. I think that soon all will be well. I think that only time will tell! One Nation with such sorrow and pain. One Nation weeping over the slain. One Nation proud of the citizen's aid. One Nation so strong, so proud, so brave! One Nation ready to shout to the world. One Nation with many flags unfurled. One Nation saying, "Just leave me be". One Nation saying, "Don't mess with me"! One Nation determined to get over this time. One Nation with one single recurring rhyme. One Nation loved by you and by me. One Nation - "Our Sweet Land of Liberty"!
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- Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 07:58:38 (PDT)

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eyeswideopen
- Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 07:51:31 (PDT)

Praying The Lord's Prayer "Our Father which art in heaven," Yes? "Don't interrupt me. I'm praying" But you called me "Called you? I didn't call you. I'm praying. "'Our Father which art in heaven," There you did it again "Did what?" Called me. You said, "Our Father which art in heaven." Here I am. What's on your mind? "But I didn't mean anything by it. I was, you know, just saying my prayers for the day. I always say the Lord's Prayer. It makes me feel good, kind of like getting a duty done." All right. Go on. "Hallowed be Thy name." Hold it. What do you mean by that? "By what?" By "Hallowed be Thy name?" "It means. It means .... Good grief, I don't know what it means. How should I know? It's just a part of the prayer. By the way, what does it mean?" It means honored, holy, wonderful. "Hey that makes sense. I never thought about what 'hallowed' meant before." "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven." Do you really mean that? " Sure, why not?" What are you doing about it? "Doing? Nothing, I guess. I just think it would be kind of neat if you got control of everything down here like you have up there." Have I got control of you? " Well, I go to church." That isn't what I asked you. What about your temper? You've really got a problem there, you know. And then there's the way you spend your money - all on yourself. And what about the kinds of books you read and what you watch on TV? "Stop picking on me! I'm just as good as the rest of those people at church." Excuse me. I thought you were praying for my will to be done. If that is to happen, it will have to start with the ones who are praying for it. Like you, for example. "Oh, all right. I guess I do have some hang-ups. Now that you mention it, I could probably name some others." So could I. "I haven't thought about it very much until now, but I'd really like to cut out some of those things. I would like to, you know, be really free." Good. Now we're getting somewhere. We'll work together, you and I. Some victories can be truly won. I'm proud of you. "Look, Lord, I need to finish this up here. This is taking a lot longer than it usually does ... Give us this day our daily bread." You could cut out the bread. It would help you lose weight. "Hey, wait a minute! What is this, 'Criticize, ME day?' Here I was doing my religious duty, and all of a sudden you break in and remind me of all my hang-ups." Praying is a dangerous thing. You could wind up changed, you know. --- That's what I'm trying to get across to you. Keep praying. I'm interested in the next part of your prayer. -- (Pause) Well, go on. " I'm scared to." Scared? Of what? "I know what you'll say." Try me and see. "Forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us." What about Ann? "See? I knew it! I knew you would bring her up! Why Lord she's told lies about me, spread stories about my family. She never paid back the money she owes me. I've sworn to get even with her!" But your prayer? What about your prayer? "I didn't mean it." Well, at least you're honest. But it's not much fun carrying that load of bitterness inside you, is it? "No. But, I'll feel better as soon as I get even. Boy, have I got some plans for that neighbor. She'll wish she had never moved into this neighborhood." You won't feel any better. You'll feel worse. Revenge isn't sweet. Think of how unhappy you already are. But, I can change all that. "You can? How?" Forgive Ann. Then I'll forgive you. Then the hate and sin will be Ann's problem and not yours. You will have settled your heart. "Oh, you're right. You always are. And, more than I want to get revenge against Ann, I want to be right with you. But... (Pause) ... (Sigh) ... All right. I forgive her. Help her to find the right road in life, Lord. She's bound to be awfully miserable now that I think about it. Anybody who goes around doing the things she does to others has to be out of it. Someway, somehow, show her the right way. There now! Wonderful! How do you feel? "Hmmm. Well, not bad. Not bad at all. I feel pretty great. You know, I don't think I'll have to go to bed uptight tonight for the first time since I can remember. Maybe I won't be so tired from now on because I'm not getting enough rest." You're not through with your prayers. Go on. "Oh, all right. "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil." Good! Good! I'll do that. Just don't put yourself in a place where you can be tempted. "What do you mean by that?" Don't turn the TV on when you know the laundry needs to be done and the house needs to be picked up. Also about the time you spend with your friends, if you can't influence the conversation to positive things, perhaps you should rethink the value of those friendships. Another thing, your neighbors and friends shouldn't be your standard for "keeping up." And please don't use me as an escape hatch. " I don't understand that last part." Sure you do. You've done it a lot of times. You get caught in a bad situation. You get in trouble and then you come running to me: "Lord, help me out of this mess, and I promise you I'll never do it again." You remember some of those bargains you tried to make with me? "Yes, and I'm ashamed, Lord, I really am." Which bargain are you remembering? "Well, there was the night that my husband was gone and the children and I were home alone. The wind was blowing so hard I thought the roof would go any minute and tornado warnings were out. I remember saying, 'Oh God, if you spare us, I'll never skip my devotions again." I protected you, but you didn't keep your promise, did you? "I'm sorry, Lord I really am. Up until now I thought that if I just prayed the Lord's Prayer every day, then I could do what I liked. I didn't expect anything to happen like this." Go ahead and finish your prayer. "For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory forever. Amen" Do you know what would bring me glory? What would really make me happy? "No, but I'd like to know. I want to please you. I can see what a mess I've made of my life. And I can see how great it would be to really be one of your followers." You just answered the question. "I did?" Yes. The thing that would bring me glory is to have people like you truly love me. And I see that happening between us. Now that some of these old sins are exposed and out of the way, there is no telling what we can do together. "Lord, let's see what we can make of me, OK?" Yes, let's see.
Seahamlad
- Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 07:47:36 (PDT)

What about the allotments I asked about. Apart from supermarket trash, are you all growing enough GREENS? I hardley ate at all some years ago. I used to drink, smoke and go with loose woman, Playboy was my Mag. Now I've graduated to National Geographic, I go to church and certailey NO LOOSE LIVING. By the by, did you know Mary Magdaline was a reformed prostitute?
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- Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 06:16:09 (PDT)

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- Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 04:01:48 (PDT)

Sugestions for Church Street........ A quaint Tea Shop.. with assorted teas and Scones and following that a Starbucks Coffee shop followed by a few decent places to eat.... and some quaint little country stores. Then, Church Street needs some good clothes stores for children, The Children's Place, The Gap. Also, need a few decent men stores, as well as a few decent Women's stores.. Talbots, Victoria Secrets, Ann Taylor, Liz Clairborne, (and others that I cannot think of.. Some of the traditional British stores that I have forgotten about - whoops!) Church Street also needs a good store that just sells winter/snow stuff. Also a nice religious store.. Church Street needs a good fresh Butchers (I use to shop at Chaytors - it was a good Butchers shop.) It needs a good fresh vegetable and fruit shop (such as Chalks - when it was there) Also a fresh florists. How about organic Whole Foods store? It needs to be there... Ther are lots of things that can be done to improve Church Street.... So come on people of Seaham put in your sugestions and get the Council working on it.... Spruce up our wonderful, historical town with a great shopping area.
sunshine smile
- Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 03:59:24 (PDT)

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Observer
- Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 03:56:27 (PDT)

I think people, we need to change the topic now, from me.. to something else. I don't know how I do it, but I never do it intentionally, that I end up dominating this Guest Book.... and really and truly, I don't like it - and never intend to "take over" our super Seaham G/B..... I think because I respond to comments and it goes on from there..................... So.. let us all move on to something else... Hope y'all are having a super day wherever y'all are.... Oh, we still need to keep our brave men and women of the Militarys in our prayers... Iraq is more unstable now, than before the War. What a mess!
sunshine smile
- Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 03:27:49 (PDT)

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lome, togo togo - Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 03:08:21 (PDT)

Jacqueline, Life is full of risks, you just have to take them. If you don't you are not living you are just existing. Everyone fears rejection, sometimes things do not work out, but not to take a chance on love before it has even began is so sad. It is a risk crossing the road, you may get run down, it is a risk walking alone in the park, you may get attacked, it is a risk travelling on a plane, it may crash, it is a risk eating, you may choke. If you think that a marriage will be doomed before it begins then it surely will be. Take a chance of happiness, it may be the next man you meet will be the love of your life, but if you are not prepared to risk it, you will never know. I hope you do find a good man to marry & have children, but it will never happen if you don't take that risk.
Butterfly stomach
- Saturday, September 06, 2003 at 00:55:29 (PDT)

Jacqueline, Wise One, It's "Sleepless In Seatle," all over again my dears. Did either of you see "86 Charring Cross Road?" Well Ann Bancroft left it too late. When she finally got to London, the man she loved from afar was dead and all she had left was memories. All the world loves a lover, self denial is in only extream cases plausable.
Critics Choice
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 21:30:12 (PDT)

To "Stab in the Dark" Wish you would change your screen name..... It is bloody awful.. It sounds dreary and mean - hope you like yourself better than your chosen screen name. Anyway, ask "Wise One" how his parents would feel. ("Wise One" Answer it with tact..please.) My mother had no comment at our founded "friendship" .. doesn't want to know and not interested... even at the kind and gentle compliments "Wise One" gives to me. "Wise One" and I are just very good friends. I think, if I am not mistaken, "Wise One" and I, both allow our parents, to a certain degree, to have some control over our lives. I should not, as I live over the ocean and don't really tell them much. Also, both "Wise One" and myself are in our mid 30's intelligent adults with a lot of insight and life experience. We would make a lovely couple, but it is not meant to be.
"Wise One's" friend...
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 17:22:37 (PDT)

To "Guest" (Not from OZ) Thank you .. I appreciated your message. I am good at making excuses, that way I do not take a risk of a "failed marriage" - the risk of commitment and the marriage not working out; It would break my heart. I am getting tired of being single, but afraid to take a risk..... so I stay single, and burry my head in my work.
Jacqueline
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 17:14:08 (PDT)

Jacqueline, you can have the same ideals, same principles, etc as someone & be totally different from him, but still fall in love & marry. Take my husband & I, we are like chalk & cheese, but opposites attract & usually have a better 'survival rate' than most 'perfectly suited' couples. We've been married almost twenty years & although sometimes he tests my patience as i do his, we are still totally in love & happy. I don't have a 'peaceful' marriage, that would be dull, but I do have a very happy one. I hope one day that you will meet someone who will be right for you, if you do & you are only a quarter as happy as I am, then you will live happily ever after! Good luck
a guest (not from oz)
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 15:39:14 (PDT)

Why on earth do you think that you cannot marry someone if you had a 'history' with them as kids? Loads of people marry people they knew from childhood. Also what has parents permission to marry have to do with it either? you should live life to what will make you happy, not what will make your parents happy. Ideally parents & their childrens spouses would get on, but that is not always the case.
Stab in the dark
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 15:25:33 (PDT)

To.... "Stab in the Dark" what kind of screen name is that?!!!! Don't you like yourself or something?!!!!. Anyway... "Wise One" and I will never marry, because we have too much of a "history" together from when we were kids. Neither of our parents would ever go for it. Ask him.. he will tell you... Our parents would have the biggest fit you could imagine.. I don't expect we would have a peaceful marriage.... You could hear them yelling all over Seaham. .........(That is why we are "Romeo and Juliet") Also, "Wise One" and I may have a very strong faith and live by the same morals, values and principles, but we are still very different from each other. But Thank you "Stab in the Dark" for wanting to be the first one to dance at my Wedding... If I am ever blest with a husband, I will be the first to annouce it on the Seaham Guest Book.... and will invite you, so you can dance at my wedding.. maybe you could give me a whirl at the Waltz.... Bye and have a nice evening....
"wise one's" friend...
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 15:07:09 (PDT)

Allotments! Are there still any back of Malvern Cresent?
Brian Greenfingers
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 14:45:13 (PDT)

Just a stab in the dark, but who reckons that our Jacqueline reckons that wise one is going to fly over to the USA & sweep her off her feet & that they'll live happily ever after? (I wish! God how i wish!) But I reckon that wise one is stringing our highly strung Jacqueline along. Get over your crush Jacqueline, I doubt very much it will happen. If it does though, i'd be the 1st one to dance at your wedding!
stab in the dark
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 14:17:06 (PDT)

Sad but true, bout a girl I once new, Sadie with the berm
John Spencer
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 13:55:25 (PDT)

Oh yes she has!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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USA - Friday, September 05, 2003 at 13:54:05 (PDT)

Sadie's got a fat arse!
Freedom of Speech
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 13:53:16 (PDT)

Even more tosh, I'm going to be sick!
John Spencer
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 13:33:08 (PDT)

Note only for "Wise One"........... "Wise One" I think you do a good job of "turning the other cheek." But I admire very much your humility of 'imperfection." I will not offer to be a Eurcharist Minister, as I feel I am not holy and worthy enough to be offering the body and blood of our Lord. (Though, now I question some Priests and some Vicars who give out the Holy Communion of our Lord.) Did you know that I had seriously considered going into Mother Teresa's Order? But I cannot, unless I truly accept that marraige (other than to God) is no longer an option. I would still like to be married someday and perhaps have a child. Therefore, I stick to humanitarian outreach work - and truly enjoy what I do. You know my parents - they are rather materialistic and the thoughts of missionary work or joining an order, is just beyond them. I am complete the opposite... I guess you and me, both, try to live up to our parents "high" expectations. regardless of our ages. (I hope I would never be a nagging parent.) "wise One" I am very happy and content over here - this is my home now - I think I am now just a "Guest" to Seaham.... Hope you understand why I have no desire whatsoever to come back home (And it has nothing to do with thinking I am better because I live here in USA - it has everything to do with "family roots" lack of....) "Wise One" the feeling is mutual on the other side.......in reference to "sibling" Also, why else do you think it took them 9 years to visit - it was not lack of funds that is for sure. Anyway, i hope all is well with you - Someday, i am sure we will get to visit you and I, but until then, i enjoy visiting with you and a multitude of others via this SUPER Guest Book! Have a great evening... Friendship Love..........
SJCC friend.....
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 13:20:39 (PDT)

Whoever wrote all that garbage about women in war.It has taken up a great deal of room on the guest book page. Im sure that anyone wishing to read all that crap could have gone to the library and read a book on it.
John Spencer <j.spencer33@ntlworld.com>
Portsmouth, Hampshire UK - Friday, September 05, 2003 at 12:00:46 (PDT)

My Friend, sorry cannot make it this evening
Your Friend
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 11:44:33 (PDT)

Jacqueline, thanks for the compliment, but no I am not a Vicar, but you are most astute as I did consider it a career option many years ago, but I would be unsuitable as such as I have never learned one of the most basic principles of the Church and that is to "turn the other cheek"
Wise One
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 11:43:22 (PDT)

"My friend".... Do you want to try to visit tonight at 10.00pm your time?
"Your friend"
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 11:07:57 (PDT)

Great page you buit here ! If u ever need a good Hotel check out my website !! regards, frida
Hotel Pension Appartment <Hotel Pension Appartment>
Vienna, at Austria - Friday, September 05, 2003 at 10:25:04 (PDT)

But Sampson was a Biblicle figure, not another American Hero! My runner beans are having another blooming with more lovely beans to come.
Brian Greenfingers
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 10:20:23 (PDT)

Love the idea of picketing Seaham Docks and would willingly come back from wherever I happen to be to take part. In the meanwhile it might be interesting to know a little more about why access is now denied to townsfolk, what the position of the Dock Co really is and what exactly the Council are doing. Anyone got any ideas? By the way when I brought a yacht to Seaham the Dock Co were very welcoming and didn't charge me for my stay so maybe they aren't all bad. By the way Val Roberts I couldn't reach your address, perhaps you could mail me.
steve smith <stevesails54@hotmail.com>
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 09:52:25 (PDT)

In the beginning of the America we know there was a Revolution. And although the call to arms was for men, several women donned the uniform of a Revolutionary soldier and fought against the British. One of these women was: DEBORAH SAMSON** In October of 1778 Deborah Samson of Plympton, Massachusetts disguised herself as a young man and presented herself to the American army as a willing volunter to oppose the common enemy. She enlisted for the whole term of the war as Robert Shirtliffe and served in the company of Captain Nathan Thayer of Medway, Massachusetts. For three years she served in various duties and was wounded twice - the first time by a sword cut on the side of the head and four months later she was shot through the shoulder. Her sexual identity went undetected until she came down with a brain fever, then prevalent among the soldiers. The attending physician, Dr. Binney, of Philadelphia, discovered her charade, but said nothing. Instead he had her taken to his own home where she would receive better care. When her health was restored the doctor met with Robert's commanding officer and subsequently an order was issued for Robert Shirtliffe to carry a letter to General Washington. (This may also be "legend" as there is no record of her ever being in Philadelphia.) When the order came for her to deliver a letter into the hands of the Commander-in-chief, she knew that her deception was over. She presented herself at the headquarters of Washington, trembling with dread and uncertainty. General Washington, to spare her embarrassment, said nothing. Instead he sent her with an aide to have some refreshments, then summoned her back. In silence Washington handed Deborah Samson a discharge from the service, a note with some words of advice, and a sum of money sufficient to bear her expenses home. (This, too, may well be more legend than fact.) After the war Deborah Samson married Benjamin Gannett of Sharon and they had three children. During George Washington's presidency she received a letter inviting Robert Shirtliffe, or rather Mrs. Gannett, to visit Washington. During her stay at the capital a bill was passed granting her a pension, in addition to certain lands, which she was to receive as an acknowledgment for her services to the country in a military capacity as a Revolutionary Soldier, in part thanks to the efforts of Paul Revere. **The correct spelling is Samson - inaccurate historians added the letter "P" in later years. There are also several different versions of the story of Deborah Samson, alias Robert Shirtliffe. This one comes from The Women of the American Revolution by Elizabeth F. Ellet, NY, Baker and Scribner, 1848, that's right, eighteen forty eight. In this book Elizabeth Ellet prefaces the story of Deborah Samson with the following: I have been told that the Female Review about this heroine was not in any measure reliable and that Deborah Samson repeatedly expressed her displeasure at the representation of herself which she did not at all recognize. The following facts respecting her I received from a lady * who knew her personally and has often listened with thrilling interest to the animated description given by herself of her exploits and adventures. * A niece of Captain Tisdale, upon whom Robert attended in the army for some months. This same accounting appears in Daughters of America, by Phebe A. Hanaford, Boston, B.B. Russell, 1882, in which Miss Hanaford refers to Niles, Principles and Acts of the Revolution and to a book called Mrs. Hales Biography of Distinguished Women. The first two books mentioned above are in the personal collection of this writer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regardless of which is the authentic version, the fact is that Deborah Samson served her country, in uniform, in the Revolutionary War. Women have done so many unpublicized things that it is time to shed more light on their accomplishments. Did you know that women were torpedoed off the coast of Africa during WWII? Did you know that when Gen MacArthur returned to the Phillipines, Navy nurses were waiting for him on shore and were cut out of the press photos? Did you know that there were women prisoners of war? These pages will continue to light more candles that reflect the deeds and accomplishments of military women...in hopes that future generations will remember that during every conflict Women Were There !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More Women of the Revolution from "Daughters of America",1849 and "Women of the Revolution" 1882: There is the little known story of Rachel and Grace Martin who disguised themselves as men and assailed a British courier and his guards. They took his important dispatches, which they speedily forwarded to General Greene. Then they released the two officers who didn't even know that they were women. Then there is Anna Warner, wife of Captain Elijah Bailey, who earned the title of "The Heroine of Groton" because of her fearless efforts to aid the wounded on the occasion of the terrible massacre at Fort Griswald in Connecticut. Anna Bailey went from house to house collecting material for bandages for the soldiers. Incidentally she denied ever having used the coarse and profane expressions ever attributed to her. Margaret Corbin stepped up to the artillery during the attack on Fort Washington when her husband fell by her side and unhesitatingly took his place and performed his duties. In July of 1779 the Congress awarded her a pension for her heroism - and a suit of clothes. Angelica Vrooman, during the heat of battle, sat calmly in a tent with a bullet mould, some lead and an iron spoon, moulding bullets for the rangers. Mary Hagidorn, upon hearing the order by a Captain Hager, for the women and children to retire to the long cellar, said: "Captain, I shall not go to that cellar should the enemy come. I will take a spear which I can use as well as any man and help defend the fort." The captain seeing her determination answered "then take a spear,Mary, and be ready at the pickets to repel an attack." She cheerfully obeyed and held the spear at the pickets till hurrahs for the American flag burst on her ear and told that all was safe. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nancy Morgan Hart, a dedicated patriot managed to kill British soldiers in her cabin in Georgia. For a great tribute site to her please visit Nancy Hart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the delights of being on the Web is hearing from young students who are doing research on women in war. This particular paper, done by Suzanne Hollis, when she was a Maryland 5th grader, was so impressive, it should be shared with all who visit these pages. Here is Suzanne's paper on "Mad Anne Bailey". Anne Bailey Mad Anne, who was she? During my research I found there were two Anne Baileys. As there being two of them, I would like to tell you what they have in common. Believe it or not, both Anne's had been called "Mad Anne"! They both were living around the same time too. Also they both had husbands who were soldiers. As you can see, they have many things in common. First I'll tell you about Anne Warner Bailey. This Anne happened to be born in October 1758 in Grotton, Conn. Anne was brought up by her uncle Edward Mills. She was married to Elijah Bailey. The Battle at Grotton Heights was one thing she is famous for. It happened in Fort Grizzwald on Sept. 6,1781. After the fighting, Anne walked three miles to the Fort in search of her uncle. She found him heavily wounded. Her uncle asked to see his wife and child before he died. Anne hurried home. When she got there, she had to catch and saddle the family's horse. Anne got the wife and child. and then returned to her uncle . The wife rode the horse while Anne walked and carried the baby. She received the name "Mother Bailey" because of that trip. After she brought the family to the dying uncle, Anne went around to help all others wounded. There was a flannel shortage at Grotton. Flannel was used to make cartridges for muzzle loader guns. On July 13, 1813, Anne went door to door, collecting flannel for the soldiers. She even gave up her own flannel petticoat. It was this patriotic act that gave her the name "Heroine of Grotton". The "Martial Petticoat" has become celebrated in song and story. Anne died on January 10, 1851. Now let me tell you about Anne Trotter Bailey. She was born in Liverpool, England as Anne Hennis in 1742. She went to live with relatives when her parents passed away in 1761. Her relatives lived in Virginia near Staunton in the Shenandoah Valley, U.S.A. She married Richard Trotter in 1765. She had one son named William. When William was 7 his father passed away. Richard was killed in a battle on October 19, 1774. After he died, Anne left William with a neighbor named Mrs. Moses Mann. Then Anne dressed like a man and joined the army. She went to many militia meetings to tell the men to fight the British or the Indians. Anne had four nicknames. They were: "A Daughter of the Revolution", "The Pioneer Herione of the Great Kanawah shore", "Mad Anne" and "The White Squaw of Kanawah". The most fascinating nickname she had, I think, was "Mad Anne". The Indians named her that because they thought she was possessed by an evil spirit and that she was insane. They thought that because she could ride through Indian territory without harm. One time the Indians were chasing Anne. She knew she couldn't out run them so, she jumped off her horse and hid in a hollow log. Although the Indians looked everywhere, they couldn't find her so they took her horse. Later that night, Anne snuck into their camp and stole her horse back. She rode away and at a safe distance, she screamed and yelled like a wild woman. The ride in 1791 was what Anne is most famous for. A runner was sent from Point Pleasant to Ft. Lee to say Indians were going to attack with a large army force within a few days. The ammunition was low in Ft. Lee at the time. They needed ammunition so they could fight off the Indians. Anne rode a very dangerous trail alone. She rode 100 miles to Lewisburg across wilderness without roads to get the gun powder. She returned with the much needed supply of ammunition. Anne died in November 1825 of old age. A poem was written in 1861 by Charles Robb about this ride. It was called " Anne Bailey's Ride". Before I close this report, I would like to say that I think Anne Trotter Bailey is the real "Mad Anne" because she would swear, get drunk and do crazy things, while Anne Warner Bailey said she never used profane language in her life. Who do you think is the real "Mad Anne"? Congratulations Suzanne for a job well done! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q. Why nothing on Molly Pitcher? A. Because we don't really know that there ever was a Molly Pitcher. I'm inclined to agree with historians like Dr. Linda Grant DePauw, President of The Minerva Center, who says in part: "Molly Pitcher is the name of a legendary figure of the American Revolution. She is associated with the Battle of Monmouth and since 1876 has been identified with a woman veteran of the war, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley, who lived in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. As part of the centennary events of that year, an unmarked grave believed to be hers was opened and the remains were reburied with honors under a plaque delaring her to have been the real embodiment of the famous Molly Pitcher. The central theme of the Molly Pitcher story is of a woman whose husband was wounded or killed while serving at an artillery piece at the Battle of Monmouth. She took his place to the admiration of the other soldiers who admired her courage and devotion to her husband. The story has seemingly endless variations, often including a cameo appearance by George Washington who gives her either a gold coin -- in one version a whole hatful of gold coins -- or a promotion to sergeant or captain. Some books even provide elaborate dialogue said to have passed between the camp woman and the commander in chief. In many of these, she speaks with an Irish brogue, but sometimes she is represented as German. Often students doing school projects on "Molly Pitcher" ask for details about her place of birth or childhood experiences and education. There are no historical sources that can provide such information about a legendary character. The real woman, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley was awarded a pension by the State of Pennsylvania in1822 "for services rendered" during the war -- this was more than the usual widow's pension which was awarded to soldiers' wives who marched with the army. So one assumes she did something special. But when she died there was no mention of a cannon or the Battle of Monmouth in her obituary. Historical sources do confirm that at least two women fought in the Battle of Monmouth -- one was at an artillery position and the other was in the infantry line. There is no evidence linking either of them to McCauley."In the beginning of the America we know there was a Revolution. And although the call to arms was for men, several women donned the uniform of a Revolutionary soldier and fought against the British. One of these women was: DEBORAH SAMSON** In October of 1778 Deborah Samson of Plympton, Massachusetts disguised herself as a young man and presented herself to the American army as a willing volunter to oppose the common enemy. She enlisted for the whole term of the war as Robert Shirtliffe and served in the company of Captain Nathan Thayer of Medway, Massachusetts. For three years she served in various duties and was wounded twice - the first time by a sword cut on the side of the head and four months later she was shot through the shoulder. Her sexual identity went undetected until she came down with a brain fever, then prevalent among the soldiers. The attending physician, Dr. Binney, of Philadelphia, discovered her charade, but said nothing. Instead he had her taken to his own home where she would receive better care. When her health was restored the doctor met with Robert's commanding officer and subsequently an order was issued for Robert Shirtliffe to carry a letter to General Washington. (This may also be "legend" as there is no record of her ever being in Philadelphia.) When the order came for her to deliver a letter into the hands of the Commander-in-chief, she knew that her deception was over. She presented herself at the headquarters of Washington, trembling with dread and uncertainty. General Washington, to spare her embarrassment, said nothing. Instead he sent her with an aide to have some refreshments, then summoned her back. In silence Washington handed Deborah Samson a discharge from the service, a note with some words of advice, and a sum of money sufficient to bear her expenses home. (This, too, may well be more legend than fact.) After the war Deborah Samson married Benjamin Gannett of Sharon and they had three children. During George Washington's presidency she received a letter inviting Robert Shirtliffe, or rather Mrs. Gannett, to visit Washington. During her stay at the capital a bill was passed granting her a pension, in addition to certain lands, which she was to receive as an acknowledgment for her services to the country in a military capacity as a Revolutionary Soldier, in part thanks to the efforts of Paul Revere. **The correct spelling is Samson - inaccurate historians added the letter "P" in later years. There are also several different versions of the story of Deborah Samson, alias Robert Shirtliffe. This one comes from The Women of the American Revolution by Elizabeth F. Ellet, NY, Baker and Scribner, 1848, that's right, eighteen forty eight. In this book Elizabeth Ellet prefaces the story of Deborah Samson with the following: I have been told that the Female Review about this heroine was not in any measure reliable and that Deborah Samson repeatedly expressed her displeasure at the representation of herself which she did not at all recognize. The following facts respecting her I received from a lady * who knew her personally and has often listened with thrilling interest to the animated description given by herself of her exploits and adventures. * A niece of Captain Tisdale, upon whom Robert attended in the army for some months. This same accounting appears in Daughters of America, by Phebe A. Hanaford, Boston, B.B. Russell, 1882, in which Miss Hanaford refers to Niles, Principles and Acts of the Revolution and to a book called Mrs. Hales Biography of Distinguished Women. The first two books mentioned above are in the personal collection of this writer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regardless of which is the authentic version, the fact is that Deborah Samson served her country, in uniform, in the Revolutionary War. Women have done so many unpublicized things that it is time to shed more light on their accomplishments. Did you know that women were torpedoed off the coast of Africa during WWII? Did you know that when Gen MacArthur returned to the Phillipines, Navy nurses were waiting for him on shore and were cut out of the press photos? Did you know that there were women prisoners of war? These pages will continue to light more candles that reflect the deeds and accomplishments of military women...in hopes that future generations will remember that during every conflict Women Were There !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More Women of the Revolution from "Daughters of America",1849 and "Women of the Revolution" 1882: There is the little known story of Rachel and Grace Martin who disguised themselves as men and assailed a British courier and his guards. They took his important dispatches, which they speedily forwarded to General Greene. Then they released the two officers who didn't even know that they were women. Then there is Anna Warner, wife of Captain Elijah Bailey, who earned the title of "The Heroine of Groton" because of her fearless efforts to aid the wounded on the occasion of the terrible massacre at Fort Griswald in Connecticut. Anna Bailey went from house to house collecting material for bandages for the soldiers. Incidentally she denied ever having used the coarse and profane expressions ever attributed to her. Margaret Corbin stepped up to the artillery during the attack on Fort Washington when her husband fell by her side and unhesitatingly took his place and performed his duties. In July of 1779 the Congress awarded her a pension for her heroism - and a suit of clothes. Angelica Vrooman, during the heat of battle, sat calmly in a tent with a bullet mould, some lead and an iron spoon, moulding bullets for the rangers. Mary Hagidorn, upon hearing the order by a Captain Hager, for the women and children to retire to the long cellar, said: "Captain, I shall not go to that cellar should the enemy come. I will take a spear which I can use as well as any man and help defend the fort." The captain seeing her determination answered "then take a spear,Mary, and be ready at the pickets to repel an attack." She cheerfully obeyed and held the spear at the pickets till hurrahs for the American flag burst on her ear and told that all was safe. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nancy Morgan Hart, a dedicated patriot managed to kill British soldiers in her cabin in Georgia. For a great tribute site to her please visit Nancy Hart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the delights of being on the Web is hearing from young students who are doing research on women in war. This particular paper, done by Suzanne Hollis, when she was a Maryland 5th grader, was so impressive, it should be shared with all who visit these pages. Here is Suzanne's paper on "Mad Anne Bailey". Anne Bailey Mad Anne, who was she? During my research I found there were two Anne Baileys. As there being two of them, I would like to tell you what they have in common. Believe it or not, both Anne's had been called "Mad Anne"! They both were living around the same time too. Also they both had husbands who were soldiers. As you can see, they have many things in common. First I'll tell you about Anne Warner Bailey. This Anne happened to be born in October 1758 in Grotton, Conn. Anne was brought up by her uncle Edward Mills. She was married to Elijah Bailey. The Battle at Grotton Heights was one thing she is famous for. It happened in Fort Grizzwald on Sept. 6,1781. After the fighting, Anne walked three miles to the Fort in search of her uncle. She found him heavily wounded. Her uncle asked to see his wife and child before he died. Anne hurried home. When she got there, she had to catch and saddle the family's horse. Anne got the wife and child. and then returned to her uncle . The wife rode the horse while Anne walked and carried the baby. She received the name "Mother Bailey" because of that trip. After she brought the family to the dying uncle, Anne went around to help all others wounded. There was a flannel shortage at Grotton. Flannel was used to make cartridges for muzzle loader guns. On July 13, 1813, Anne went door to door, collecting flannel for the soldiers. She even gave up her own flannel petticoat. It was this patriotic act that gave her the name "Heroine of Grotton". The "Martial Petticoat" has become celebrated in song and story. Anne died on January 10, 1851. Now let me tell you about Anne Trotter Bailey. She was born in Liverpool, England as Anne Hennis in 1742. She went to live with relatives when her parents passed away in 1761. Her relatives lived in Virginia near Staunton in the Shenandoah Valley, U.S.A. She married Richard Trotter in 1765. She had one son named William. When William was 7 his father passed away. Richard was killed in a battle on October 19, 1774. After he died, Anne left William with a neighbor named Mrs. Moses Mann. Then Anne dressed like a man and joined the army. She went to many militia meetings to tell the men to fight the British or the Indians. Anne had four nicknames. They were: "A Daughter of the Revolution", "The Pioneer Herione of the Great Kanawah shore", "Mad Anne" and "The White Squaw of Kanawah". The most fascinating nickname she had, I think, was "Mad Anne". The Indians named her that because they thought she was possessed by an evil spirit and that she was insane. They thought that because she could ride through Indian territory without harm. One time the Indians were chasing Anne. She knew she couldn't out run them so, she jumped off her horse and hid in a hollow log. Although the Indians looked everywhere, they couldn't find her so they took her horse. Later that night, Anne snuck into their camp and stole her horse back. She rode away and at a safe distance, she screamed and yelled like a wild woman. The ride in 1791 was what Anne is most famous for. A runner was sent from Point Pleasant to Ft. Lee to say Indians were going to attack with a large army force within a few days. The ammunition was low in Ft. Lee at the time. They needed ammunition so they could fight off the Indians. Anne rode a very dangerous trail alone. She rode 100 miles to Lewisburg across wilderness without roads to get the gun powder. She returned with the much needed supply of ammunition. Anne died in November 1825 of old age. A poem was written in 1861 by Charles Robb about this ride. It was called " Anne Bailey's Ride". Before I close this report, I would like to say that I think Anne Trotter Bailey is the real "Mad Anne" because she would swear, get drunk and do crazy things, while Anne Warner Bailey said she never used profane language in her life. Who do you think is the real "Mad Anne"? Congratulations Suzanne for a job well done! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q. Why nothing on Molly Pitcher? A. Because we don't really know that there ever was a Molly Pitcher. I'm inclined to agree with historians like Dr. Linda Grant DePauw, President of The Minerva Center, who says in part: "Molly Pitcher is the name of a legendary figure of the American Revolution. She is associated with the Battle of Monmouth and since 1876 has been identified with a woman veteran of the war, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley, who lived in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. As part of the centennary events of that year, an unmarked grave believed to be hers was opened and the remains were reburied with honors under a plaque delaring her to have been the real embodiment of the famous Molly Pitcher. The central theme of the Molly Pitcher story is of a woman whose husband was wounded or killed while serving at an artillery piece at the Battle of Monmouth. She took his place to the admiration of the other soldiers who admired her courage and devotion to her husband. The story has seemingly endless variations, often including a cameo appearance by George Washington who gives her either a gold coin -- in one version a whole hatful of gold coins -- or a promotion to sergeant or captain. Some books even provide elaborate dialogue said to have passed between the camp woman and the commander in chief. In many of these, she speaks with an Irish brogue, but sometimes she is represented as German. Often students doing school projects on "Molly Pitcher" ask for details about her place of birth or childhood experiences and education. There are no historical sources that can provide such information about a legendary character. The real woman, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley was awarded a pension by the State of Pennsylvania in1822 "for services rendered" during the war -- this was more than the usual widow's pension which was awarded to soldiers' wives who marched with the army. So one assumes she did something special. But when she died there was no mention of a cannon or the Battle of Monmouth in her obituary. Historical sources do confirm that at least two women fought in the Battle of Monmouth -- one was at an artillery position and the other was in the infantry line. There is no evidence linking either of them to McCauley."In the beginning of the America we know there was a Revolution. And although the call to arms was for men, several women donned the uniform of a Revolutionary soldier and fought against the British. One of these women was: DEBORAH SAMSON** In October of 1778 Deborah Samson of Plympton, Massachusetts disguised herself as a young man and presented herself to the American army as a willing volunter to oppose the common enemy. She enlisted for the whole term of the war as Robert Shirtliffe and served in the company of Captain Nathan Thayer of Medway, Massachusetts. For three years she served in various duties and was wounded twice - the first time by a sword cut on the side of the head and four months later she was shot through the shoulder. Her sexual identity went undetected until she came down with a brain fever, then prevalent among the soldiers. The attending physician, Dr. Binney, of Philadelphia, discovered her charade, but said nothing. Instead he had her taken to his own home where she would receive better care. When her health was restored the doctor met with Robert's commanding officer and subsequently an order was issued for Robert Shirtliffe to carry a letter to General Washington. (This may also be "legend" as there is no record of her ever being in Philadelphia.) When the order came for her to deliver a letter into the hands of the Commander-in-chief, she knew that her deception was over. She presented herself at the headquarters of Washington, trembling with dread and uncertainty. General Washington, to spare her embarrassment, said nothing. Instead he sent her with an aide to have some refreshments, then summoned her back. In silence Washington handed Deborah Samson a discharge from the service, a note with some words of advice, and a sum of money sufficient to bear her expenses home. (This, too, may well be more legend than fact.) After the war Deborah Samson married Benjamin Gannett of Sharon and they had three children. During George Washington's presidency she received a letter inviting Robert Shirtliffe, or rather Mrs. Gannett, to visit Washington. During her stay at the capital a bill was passed granting her a pension, in addition to certain lands, which she was to receive as an acknowledgment for her services to the country in a military capacity as a Revolutionary Soldier, in part thanks to the efforts of Paul Revere. **The correct spelling is Samson - inaccurate historians added the letter "P" in later years. There are also several different versions of the story of Deborah Samson, alias Robert Shirtliffe. This one comes from The Women of the American Revolution by Elizabeth F. Ellet, NY, Baker and Scribner, 1848, that's right, eighteen forty eight. In this book Elizabeth Ellet prefaces the story of Deborah Samson with the following: I have been told that the Female Review about this heroine was not in any measure reliable and that Deborah Samson repeatedly expressed her displeasure at the representation of herself which she did not at all recognize. The following facts respecting her I received from a lady * who knew her personally and has often listened with thrilling interest to the animated description given by herself of her exploits and adventures. * A niece of Captain Tisdale, upon whom Robert attended in the army for some months. This same accounting appears in Daughters of America, by Phebe A. Hanaford, Boston, B.B. Russell, 1882, in which Miss Hanaford refers to Niles, Principles and Acts of the Revolution and to a book called Mrs. Hales Biography of Distinguished Women. The first two books mentioned above are in the personal collection of this writer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regardless of which is the authentic version, the fact is that Deborah Samson served her country, in uniform, in the Revolutionary War. Women have done so many unpublicized things that it is time to shed more light on their accomplishments. Did you know that women were torpedoed off the coast of Africa during WWII? Did you know that when Gen MacArthur returned to the Phillipines, Navy nurses were waiting for him on shore and were cut out of the press photos? Did you know that there were women prisoners of war? These pages will continue to light more candles that reflect the deeds and accomplishments of military women...in hopes that future generations will remember that during every conflict Women Were There !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More Women of the Revolution from "Daughters of America",1849 and "Women of the Revolution" 1882: There is the little known story of Rachel and Grace Martin who disguised themselves as men and assailed a British courier and his guards. They took his important dispatches, which they speedily forwarded to General Greene. Then they released the two officers who didn't even know that they were women. Then there is Anna Warner, wife of Captain Elijah Bailey, who earned the title of "The Heroine of Groton" because of her fearless efforts to aid the wounded on the occasion of the terrible massacre at Fort Griswald in Connecticut. Anna Bailey went from house to house collecting material for bandages for the soldiers. Incidentally she denied ever having used the coarse and profane expressions ever attributed to her. Margaret Corbin stepped up to the artillery during the attack on Fort Washington when her husband fell by her side and unhesitatingly took his place and performed his duties. In July of 1779 the Congress awarded her a pension for her heroism - and a suit of clothes. Angelica Vrooman, during the heat of battle, sat calmly in a tent with a bullet mould, some lead and an iron spoon, moulding bullets for the rangers. Mary Hagidorn, upon hearing the order by a Captain Hager, for the women and children to retire to the long cellar, said: "Captain, I shall not go to that cellar should the enemy come. I will take a spear which I can use as well as any man and help defend the fort." The captain seeing her determination answered "then take a spear,Mary, and be ready at the pickets to repel an attack." She cheerfully obeyed and held the spear at the pickets till hurrahs for the American flag burst on her ear and told that all was safe. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nancy Morgan Hart, a dedicated patriot managed to kill British soldiers in her cabin in Georgia. For a great tribute site to her please visit Nancy Hart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the delights of being on the Web is hearing from young students who are doing research on women in war. This particular paper, done by Suzanne Hollis, when she was a Maryland 5th grader, was so impressive, it should be shared with all who visit these pages. Here is Suzanne's paper on "Mad Anne Bailey". Anne Bailey Mad Anne, who was she? During my research I found there were two Anne Baileys. As there being two of them, I would like to tell you what they have in common. Believe it or not, both Anne's had been called "Mad Anne"! They both were living around the same time too. Also they both had husbands who were soldiers. As you can see, they have many things in common. First I'll tell you about Anne Warner Bailey. This Anne happened to be born in October 1758 in Grotton, Conn. Anne was brought up by her uncle Edward Mills. She was married to Elijah Bailey. The Battle at Grotton Heights was one thing she is famous for. It happened in Fort Grizzwald on Sept. 6,1781. After the fighting, Anne walked three miles to the Fort in search of her uncle. She found him heavily wounded. Her uncle asked to see his wife and child before he died. Anne hurried home. When she got there, she had to catch and saddle the family's horse. Anne got the wife and child. and then returned to her uncle . The wife rode the horse while Anne walked and carried the baby. She received the name "Mother Bailey" because of that trip. After she brought the family to the dying uncle, Anne went around to help all others wounded. There was a flannel shortage at Grotton. Flannel was used to make cartridges for muzzle loader guns. On July 13, 1813, Anne went door to door, collecting flannel for the soldiers. She even gave up her own flannel petticoat. It was this patriotic act that gave her the name "Heroine of Grotton". The "Martial Petticoat" has become celebrated in song and story. Anne died on January 10, 1851. Now let me tell you about Anne Trotter Bailey. She was born in Liverpool, England as Anne Hennis in 1742. She went to live with relatives when her parents passed away in 1761. Her relatives lived in Virginia near Staunton in the Shenandoah Valley, U.S.A. She married Richard Trotter in 1765. She had one son named William. When William was 7 his father passed away. Richard was killed in a battle on October 19, 1774. After he died, Anne left William with a neighbor named Mrs. Moses Mann. Then Anne dressed like a man and joined the army. She went to many militia meetings to tell the men to fight the British or the Indians. Anne had four nicknames. They were: "A Daughter of the Revolution", "The Pioneer Herione of the Great Kanawah shore", "Mad Anne" and "The White Squaw of Kanawah". The most fascinating nickname she had, I think, was "Mad Anne". The Indians named her that because they thought she was possessed by an evil spirit and that she was insane. They thought that because she could ride through Indian territory without harm. One time the Indians were chasing Anne. She knew she couldn't out run them so, she jumped off her horse and hid in a hollow log. Although the Indians looked everywhere, they couldn't find her so they took her horse. Later that night, Anne snuck into their camp and stole her horse back. She rode away and at a safe distance, she screamed and yelled like a wild woman. The ride in 1791 was what Anne is most famous for. A runner was sent from Point Pleasant to Ft. Lee to say Indians were going to attack with a large army force within a few days. The ammunition was low in Ft. Lee at the time. They needed ammunition so they could fight off the Indians. Anne rode a very dangerous trail alone. She rode 100 miles to Lewisburg across wilderness without roads to get the gun powder. She returned with the much needed supply of ammunition. Anne died in November 1825 of old age. A poem was written in 1861 by Charles Robb about this ride. It was called " Anne Bailey's Ride". Before I close this report, I would like to say that I think Anne Trotter Bailey is the real "Mad Anne" because she would swear, get drunk and do crazy things, while Anne Warner Bailey said she never used profane language in her life. Who do you think is the real "Mad Anne"? Congratulations Suzanne for a job well done! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q. Why nothing on Molly Pitcher? A. Because we don't really know that there ever was a Molly Pitcher. I'm inclined to agree with historians like Dr. Linda Grant DePauw, President of The Minerva Center, who says in part: "Molly Pitcher is the name of a legendary figure of the American Revolution. She is associated with the Battle of Monmouth and since 1876 has been identified with a woman veteran of the war, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley, who lived in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. As part of the centennary events of that year, an unmarked grave believed to be hers was opened and the remains were reburied with honors under a plaque delaring her to have been the real embodiment of the famous Molly Pitcher. The central theme of the Molly Pitcher story is of a woman whose husband was wounded or killed while serving at an artillery piece at the Battle of Monmouth. She took his place to the admiration of the other soldiers who admired her courage and devotion to her husband. The story has seemingly endless variations, often including a cameo appearance by George Washington who gives her either a gold coin -- in one version a whole hatful of gold coins -- or a promotion to sergeant or captain. Some books even provide elaborate dialogue said to have passed between the camp woman and the commander in chief. In many of these, she speaks with an Irish brogue, but sometimes she is represented as German. Often students doing school projects on "Molly Pitcher" ask for details about her place of birth or childhood experiences and education. There are no historical sources that can provide such information about a legendary character. The real woman, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley was awarded a pension by the State of Pennsylvania in1822 "for services rendered" during the war -- this was more than the usual widow's pension which was awarded to soldiers' wives who marched with the army. So one assumes she did something special. But when she died there was no mention of a cannon or the Battle of Monmouth in her obituary. Historical sources do confirm that at least two women fought in the Battle of Monmouth -- one was at an artillery position and the other was in the infantry line. There is no evidence linking either of them to McCauley."In the beginning of the America we know there was a Revolution. And although the call to arms was for men, several women donned the uniform of a Revolutionary soldier and fought against the British. One of these women was: DEBORAH SAMSON** In October of 1778 Deborah Samson of Plympton, Massachusetts disguised herself as a young man and presented herself to the American army as a willing volunter to oppose the common enemy. She enlisted for the whole term of the war as Robert Shirtliffe and served in the company of Captain Nathan Thayer of Medway, Massachusetts. For three years she served in various duties and was wounded twice - the first time by a sword cut on the side of the head and four months later she was shot through the shoulder. Her sexual identity went undetected until she came down with a brain fever, then prevalent among the soldiers. The attending physician, Dr. Binney, of Philadelphia, discovered her charade, but said nothing. Instead he had her taken to his own home where she would receive better care. When her health was restored the doctor met with Robert's commanding officer and subsequently an order was issued for Robert Shirtliffe to carry a letter to General Washington. (This may also be "legend" as there is no record of her ever being in Philadelphia.) When the order came for her to deliver a letter into the hands of the Commander-in-chief, she knew that her deception was over. She presented herself at the headquarters of Washington, trembling with dread and uncertainty. General Washington, to spare her embarrassment, said nothing. Instead he sent her with an aide to have some refreshments, then summoned her back. In silence Washington handed Deborah Samson a discharge from the service, a note with some words of advice, and a sum of money sufficient to bear her expenses home. (This, too, may well be more legend than fact.) After the war Deborah Samson married Benjamin Gannett of Sharon and they had three children. During George Washington's presidency she received a letter inviting Robert Shirtliffe, or rather Mrs. Gannett, to visit Washington. During her stay at the capital a bill was passed granting her a pension, in addition to certain lands, which she was to receive as an acknowledgment for her services to the country in a military capacity as a Revolutionary Soldier, in part thanks to the efforts of Paul Revere. **The correct spelling is Samson - inaccurate historians added the letter "P" in later years. There are also several different versions of the story of Deborah Samson, alias Robert Shirtliffe. This one comes from The Women of the American Revolution by Elizabeth F. Ellet, NY, Baker and Scribner, 1848, that's right, eighteen forty eight. In this book Elizabeth Ellet prefaces the story of Deborah Samson with the following: I have been told that the Female Review about this heroine was not in any measure reliable and that Deborah Samson repeatedly expressed her displeasure at the representation of herself which she did not at all recognize. The following facts respecting her I received from a lady * who knew her personally and has often listened with thrilling interest to the animated description given by herself of her exploits and adventures. * A niece of Captain Tisdale, upon whom Robert attended in the army for some months. This same accounting appears in Daughters of America, by Phebe A. Hanaford, Boston, B.B. Russell, 1882, in which Miss Hanaford refers to Niles, Principles and Acts of the Revolution and to a book called Mrs. Hales Biography of Distinguished Women. The first two books mentioned above are in the personal collection of this writer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regardless of which is the authentic version, the fact is that Deborah Samson served her country, in uniform, in the Revolutionary War. Women have done so many unpublicized things that it is time to shed more light on their accomplishments. Did you know that women were torpedoed off the coast of Africa during WWII? Did you know that when Gen MacArthur returned to the Phillipines, Navy nurses were waiting for him on shore and were cut out of the press photos? Did you know that there were women prisoners of war? These pages will continue to light more candles that reflect the deeds and accomplishments of military women...in hopes that future generations will remember that during every conflict Women Were There !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More Women of the Revolution from "Daughters of America",1849 and "Women of the Revolution" 1882: There is the little known story of Rachel and Grace Martin who disguised themselves as men and assailed a British courier and his guards. They took his important dispatches, which they speedily forwarded to General Greene. Then they released the two officers who didn't even know that they were women. Then there is Anna Warner, wife of Captain Elijah Bailey, who earned the title of "The Heroine of Groton" because of her fearless efforts to aid the wounded on the occasion of the terrible massacre at Fort Griswald in Connecticut. Anna Bailey went from house to house collecting material for bandages for the soldiers. Incidentally she denied ever having used the coarse and profane expressions ever attributed to her. Margaret Corbin stepped up to the artillery during the attack on Fort Washington when her husband fell by her side and unhesitatingly took his place and performed his duties. In July of 1779 the Congress awarded her a pension for her heroism - and a suit of clothes. Angelica Vrooman, during the heat of battle, sat calmly in a tent with a bullet mould, some lead and an iron spoon, moulding bullets for the rangers. Mary Hagidorn, upon hearing the order by a Captain Hager, for the women and children to retire to the long cellar, said: "Captain, I shall not go to that cellar should the enemy come. I will take a spear which I can use as well as any man and help defend the fort." The captain seeing her determination answered "then take a spear,Mary, and be ready at the pickets to repel an attack." She cheerfully obeyed and held the spear at the pickets till hurrahs for the American flag burst on her ear and told that all was safe. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nancy Morgan Hart, a dedicated patriot managed to kill British soldiers in her cabin in Georgia. For a great tribute site to her please visit Nancy Hart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the delights of being on the Web is hearing from young students who are doing research on women in war. This particular paper, done by Suzanne Hollis, when she was a Maryland 5th grader, was so impressive, it should be shared with all who visit these pages. Here is Suzanne's paper on "Mad Anne Bailey". Anne Bailey Mad Anne, who was she? During my research I found there were two Anne Baileys. As there being two of them, I would like to tell you what they have in common. Believe it or not, both Anne's had been called "Mad Anne"! They both were living around the same time too. Also they both had husbands who were soldiers. As you can see, they have many things in common. First I'll tell you about Anne Warner Bailey. This Anne happened to be born in October 1758 in Grotton, Conn. Anne was brought up by her uncle Edward Mills. She was married to Elijah Bailey. The Battle at Grotton Heights was one thing she is famous for. It happened in Fort Grizzwald on Sept. 6,1781. After the fighting, Anne walked three miles to the Fort in search of her uncle. She found him heavily wounded. Her uncle asked to see his wife and child before he died. Anne hurried home. When she got there, she had to catch and saddle the family's horse. Anne got the wife and child. and then returned to her uncle . The wife rode the horse while Anne walked and carried the baby. She received the name "Mother Bailey" because of that trip. After she brought the family to the dying uncle, Anne went around to help all others wounded. There was a flannel shortage at Grotton. Flannel was used to make cartridges for muzzle loader guns. On July 13, 1813, Anne went door to door, collecting flannel for the soldiers. She even gave up her own flannel petticoat. It was this patriotic act that gave her the name "Heroine of Grotton". The "Martial Petticoat" has become celebrated in song and story. Anne died on January 10, 1851. Now let me tell you about Anne Trotter Bailey. She was born in Liverpool, England as Anne Hennis in 1742. She went to live with relatives when her parents passed away in 1761. Her relatives lived in Virginia near Staunton in the Shenandoah Valley, U.S.A. She married Richard Trotter in 1765. She had one son named William. When William was 7 his father passed away. Richard was killed in a battle on October 19, 1774. After he died, Anne left William with a neighbor named Mrs. Moses Mann. Then Anne dressed like a man and joined the army. She went to many militia meetings to tell the men to fight the British or the Indians. Anne had four nicknames. They were: "A Daughter of the Revolution", "The Pioneer Herione of the Great Kanawah shore", "Mad Anne" and "The White Squaw of Kanawah". The most fascinating nickname she had, I think, was "Mad Anne". The Indians named her that because they thought she was possessed by an evil spirit and that she was insane. They thought that because she could ride through Indian territory without harm. One time the Indians were chasing Anne. She knew she couldn't out run them so, she jumped off her horse and hid in a hollow log. Although the Indians looked everywhere, they couldn't find her so they took her horse. Later that night, Anne snuck into their camp and stole her horse back. She rode away and at a safe distance, she screamed and yelled like a wild woman. The ride in 1791 was what Anne is most famous for. A runner was sent from Point Pleasant to Ft. Lee to say Indians were going to attack with a large army force within a few days. The ammunition was low in Ft. Lee at the time. They needed ammunition so they could fight off the Indians. Anne rode a very dangerous trail alone. She rode 100 miles to Lewisburg across wilderness without roads to get the gun powder. She returned with the much needed supply of ammunition. Anne died in November 1825 of old age. A poem was written in 1861 by Charles Robb about this ride. It was called " Anne Bailey's Ride". Before I close this report, I would like to say that I think Anne Trotter Bailey is the real "Mad Anne" because she would swear, get drunk and do crazy things, while Anne Warner Bailey said she never used profane language in her life. Who do you think is the real "Mad Anne"? Congratulations Suzanne for a job well done! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q. Why nothing on Molly Pitcher? A. Because we don't really know that there ever was a Molly Pitcher. I'm inclined to agree with historians like Dr. Linda Grant DePauw, President of The Minerva Center, who says in part: "Molly Pitcher is the name of a legendary figure of the American Revolution. She is associated with the Battle of Monmouth and since 1876 has been identified with a woman veteran of the war, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley, who lived in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. As part of the centennary events of that year, an unmarked grave believed to be hers was opened and the remains were reburied with honors under a plaque delaring her to have been the real embodiment of the famous Molly Pitcher. The central theme of the Molly Pitcher story is of a woman whose husband was wounded or killed while serving at an artillery piece at the Battle of Monmouth. She took his place to the admiration of the other soldiers who admired her courage and devotion to her husband. The story has seemingly endless variations, often including a cameo appearance by George Washington who gives her either a gold coin -- in one version a whole hatful of gold coins -- or a promotion to sergeant or captain. Some books even provide elaborate dialogue said to have passed between the camp woman and the commander in chief. In many of these, she speaks with an Irish brogue, but sometimes she is represented as German. Often students doing school projects on "Molly Pitcher" ask for details about her place of birth or childhood experiences and education. There are no historical sources that can provide such information about a legendary character. The real woman, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley was awarded a pension by the State of Pennsylvania in1822 "for services rendered" during the war -- this was more than the usual widow's pension which was awarded to soldiers' wives who marched with the army. So one assumes she did something special. But when she died there was no mention of a cannon or the Battle of Monmouth in her obituary. Historical sources do confirm that at least two women fought in the Battle of Monmouth -- one was at an artillery position and the other was in the infantry line. There is no evidence linking either of them to McCauley."In the beginning of the America we know there was a Revolution. And although the call to arms was for men, several women donned the uniform of a Revolutionary soldier and fought against the British. One of these women was: DEBORAH SAMSON** In October of 1778 Deborah Samson of Plympton, Massachusetts disguised herself as a young man and presented herself to the American army as a willing volunter to oppose the common enemy. She enlisted for the whole term of the war as Robert Shirtliffe and served in the company of Captain Nathan Thayer of Medway, Massachusetts. For three years she served in various duties and was wounded twice - the first time by a sword cut on the side of the head and four months later she was shot through the shoulder. Her sexual identity went undetected until she came down with a brain fever, then prevalent among the soldiers. The attending physician, Dr. Binney, of Philadelphia, discovered her charade, but said nothing. Instead he had her taken to his own home where she would receive better care. When her health was restored the doctor met with Robert's commanding officer and subsequently an order was issued for Robert Shirtliffe to carry a letter to General Washington. (This may also be "legend" as there is no record of her ever being in Philadelphia.) When the order came for her to deliver a letter into the hands of the Commander-in-chief, she knew that her deception was over. She presented herself at the headquarters of Washington, trembling with dread and uncertainty. General Washington, to spare her embarrassment, said nothing. Instead he sent her with an aide to have some refreshments, then summoned her back. In silence Washington handed Deborah Samson a discharge from the service, a note with some words of advice, and a sum of money sufficient to bear her expenses home. (This, too, may well be more legend than fact.) After the war Deborah Samson married Benjamin Gannett of Sharon and they had three children. During George Washington's presidency she received a letter inviting Robert Shirtliffe, or rather Mrs. Gannett, to visit Washington. During her stay at the capital a bill was passed granting her a pension, in addition to certain lands, which she was to receive as an acknowledgment for her services to the country in a military capacity as a Revolutionary Soldier, in part thanks to the efforts of Paul Revere. **The correct spelling is Samson - inaccurate historians added the letter "P" in later years. There are also several different versions of the story of Deborah Samson, alias Robert Shirtliffe. This one comes from The Women of the American Revolution by Elizabeth F. Ellet, NY, Baker and Scribner, 1848, that's right, eighteen forty eight. In this book Elizabeth Ellet prefaces the story of Deborah Samson with the following: I have been told that the Female Review about this heroine was not in any measure reliable and that Deborah Samson repeatedly expressed her displeasure at the representation of herself which she did not at all recognize. The following facts respecting her I received from a lady * who knew her personally and has often listened with thrilling interest to the animated description given by herself of her exploits and adventures. * A niece of Captain Tisdale, upon whom Robert attended in the army for some months. This same accounting appears in Daughters of America, by Phebe A. Hanaford, Boston, B.B. Russell, 1882, in which Miss Hanaford refers to Niles, Principles and Acts of the Revolution and to a book called Mrs. Hales Biography of Distinguished Women. The first two books mentioned above are in the personal collection of this writer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regardless of which is the authentic version, the fact is that Deborah Samson served her country, in uniform, in the Revolutionary War. Women have done so many unpublicized things that it is time to shed more light on their accomplishments. Did you know that women were torpedoed off the coast of Africa during WWII? Did you know that when Gen MacArthur returned to the Phillipines, Navy nurses were waiting for him on shore and were cut out of the press photos? Did you know that there were women prisoners of war? These pages will continue to light more candles that reflect the deeds and accomplishments of military women...in hopes that future generations will remember that during every conflict Women Were There !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More Women of the Revolution from "Daughters of America",1849 and "Women of the Revolution" 1882: There is the little known story of Rachel and Grace Martin who disguised themselves as men and assailed a British courier and his guards. They took his important dispatches, which they speedily forwarded to General Greene. Then they released the two officers who didn't even know that they were women. Then there is Anna Warner, wife of Captain Elijah Bailey, who earned the title of "The Heroine of Groton" because of her fearless efforts to aid the wounded on the occasion of the terrible massacre at Fort Griswald in Connecticut. Anna Bailey went from house to house collecting material for bandages for the soldiers. Incidentally she denied ever having used the coarse and profane expressions ever attributed to her. Margaret Corbin stepped up to the artillery during the attack on Fort Washington when her husband fell by her side and unhesitatingly took his place and performed his duties. In July of 1779 the Congress awarded her a pension for her heroism - and a suit of clothes. Angelica Vrooman, during the heat of battle, sat calmly in a tent with a bullet mould, some lead and an iron spoon, moulding bullets for the rangers. Mary Hagidorn, upon hearing the order by a Captain Hager, for the women and children to retire to the long cellar, said: "Captain, I shall not go to that cellar should the enemy come. I will take a spear which I can use as well as any man and help defend the fort." The captain seeing her determination answered "then take a spear,Mary, and be ready at the pickets to repel an attack." She cheerfully obeyed and held the spear at the pickets till hurrahs for the American flag burst on her ear and told that all was safe. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nancy Morgan Hart, a dedicated patriot managed to kill British soldiers in her cabin in Georgia. For a great tribute site to her please visit Nancy Hart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the delights of being on the Web is hearing from young students who are doing research on women in war. This particular paper, done by Suzanne Hollis, when she was a Maryland 5th grader, was so impressive, it should be shared with all who visit these pages. Here is Suzanne's paper on "Mad Anne Bailey". Anne Bailey Mad Anne, who was she? During my research I found there were two Anne Baileys. As there being two of them, I would like to tell you what they have in common. Believe it or not, both Anne's had been called "Mad Anne"! They both were living around the same time too. Also they both had husbands who were soldiers. As you can see, they have many things in common. First I'll tell you about Anne Warner Bailey. This Anne happened to be born in October 1758 in Grotton, Conn. Anne was brought up by her uncle Edward Mills. She was married to Elijah Bailey. The Battle at Grotton Heights was one thing she is famous for. It happened in Fort Grizzwald on Sept. 6,1781. After the fighting, Anne walked three miles to the Fort in search of her uncle. She found him heavily wounded. Her uncle asked to see his wife and child before he died. Anne hurried home. When she got there, she had to catch and saddle the family's horse. Anne got the wife and child. and then returned to her uncle . The wife rode the horse while Anne walked and carried the baby. She received the name "Mother Bailey" because of that trip. After she brought the family to the dying uncle, Anne went around to help all others wounded. There was a flannel shortage at Grotton. Flannel was used to make cartridges for muzzle loader guns. On July 13, 1813, Anne went door to door, collecting flannel for the soldiers. She even gave up her own flannel petticoat. It was this patriotic act that gave her the name "Heroine of Grotton". The "Martial Petticoat" has become celebrated in song and story. Anne died on January 10, 1851. Now let me tell you about Anne Trotter Bailey. She was born in Liverpool, England as Anne Hennis in 1742. She went to live with relatives when her parents passed away in 1761. Her relatives lived in Virginia near Staunton in the Shenandoah Valley, U.S.A. She married Richard Trotter in 1765. She had one son named William. When William was 7 his father passed away. Richard was killed in a battle on October 19, 1774. After he died, Anne left William with a neighbor named Mrs. Moses Mann. Then Anne dressed like a man and joined the army. She went to many militia meetings to tell the men to fight the British or the Indians. Anne had four nicknames. They were: "A Daughter of the Revolution", "The Pioneer Herione of the Great Kanawah shore", "Mad Anne" and "The White Squaw of Kanawah". The most fascinating nickname she had, I think, was "Mad Anne". The Indians named her that because they thought she was possessed by an evil spirit and that she was insane. They thought that because she could ride through Indian territory without harm. One time the Indians were chasing Anne. She knew she couldn't out run them so, she jumped off her horse and hid in a hollow log. Although the Indians looked everywhere, they couldn't find her so they took her horse. Later that night, Anne snuck into their camp and stole her horse back. She rode away and at a safe distance, she screamed and yelled like a wild woman. The ride in 1791 was what Anne is most famous for. A runner was sent from Point Pleasant to Ft. Lee to say Indians were going to attack with a large army force within a few days. The ammunition was low in Ft. Lee at the time. They needed ammunition so they could fight off the Indians. Anne rode a very dangerous trail alone. She rode 100 miles to Lewisburg across wilderness without roads to get the gun powder. She returned with the much needed supply of ammunition. Anne died in November 1825 of old age. A poem was written in 1861 by Charles Robb about this ride. It was called " Anne Bailey's Ride". Before I close this report, I would like to say that I think Anne Trotter Bailey is the real "Mad Anne" because she would swear, get drunk and do crazy things, while Anne Warner Bailey said she never used profane language in her life. Who do you think is the real "Mad Anne"? Congratulations Suzanne for a job well done! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q. Why nothing on Molly Pitcher? A. Because we don't really know that there ever was a Molly Pitcher. I'm inclined to agree with historians like Dr. Linda Grant DePauw, President of The Minerva Center, who says in part: "Molly Pitcher is the name of a legendary figure of the American Revolution. She is associated with the Battle of Monmouth and since 1876 has been identified with a woman veteran of the war, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley, who lived in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. As part of the centennary events of that year, an unmarked grave believed to be hers was opened and the remains were reburied with honors under a plaque delaring her to have been the real embodiment of the famous Molly Pitcher. The central theme of the Molly Pitcher story is of a woman whose husband was wounded or killed while serving at an artillery piece at the Battle of Monmouth. She took his place to the admiration of the other soldiers who admired her courage and devotion to her husband. The story has seemingly endless variations, often including a cameo appearance by George Washington who gives her either a gold coin -- in one version a whole hatful of gold coins -- or a promotion to sergeant or captain. Some books even provide elaborate dialogue said to have passed between the camp woman and the commander in chief. In many of these, she speaks with an Irish brogue, but sometimes she is represented as German. Often students doing school projects on "Molly Pitcher" ask for details about her place of birth or childhood experiences and education. There are no historical sources that can provide such information about a legendary character. The real woman, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley was awarded a pension by the State of Pennsylvania in1822 "for services rendered" during the war -- this was more than the usual widow's pension which was awarded to soldiers' wives who marched with the army. So one assumes she did something special. But when she died there was no mention of a cannon or the Battle of Monmouth in her obituary. Historical sources do confirm that at least two women fought in the Battle of Monmouth -- one was at an artillery position and the other was in the infantry line. There is no evidence linking either of them to McCauley."In the beginning of the America we know there was a Revolution. And although the call to arms was for men, several women donned the uniform of a Revolutionary soldier and fought against the British. One of these women was: DEBORAH SAMSON** In October of 1778 Deborah Samson of Plympton, Massachusetts disguised herself as a young man and presented herself to the American army as a willing volunter to oppose the common enemy. She enlisted for the whole term of the war as Robert Shirtliffe and served in the company of Captain Nathan Thayer of Medway, Massachusetts. For three years she served in various duties and was wounded twice - the first time by a sword cut on the side of the head and four months later she was shot through the shoulder. Her sexual identity went undetected until she came down with a brain fever, then prevalent among the soldiers. The attending physician, Dr. Binney, of Philadelphia, discovered her charade, but said nothing. Instead he had her taken to his own home where she would receive better care. When her health was restored the doctor met with Robert's commanding officer and subsequently an order was issued for Robert Shirtliffe to carry a letter to General Washington. (This may also be "legend" as there is no record of her ever being in Philadelphia.) When the order came for her to deliver a letter into the hands of the Commander-in-chief, she knew that her deception was over. She presented herself at the headquarters of Washington, trembling with dread and uncertainty. General Washington, to spare her embarrassment, said nothing. Instead he sent her with an aide to have some refreshments, then summoned her back. In silence Washington handed Deborah Samson a discharge from the service, a note with some words of advice, and a sum of money sufficient to bear her expenses home. (This, too, may well be more legend than fact.) After the war Deborah Samson married Benjamin Gannett of Sharon and they had three children. During George Washington's presidency she received a letter inviting Robert Shirtliffe, or rather Mrs. Gannett, to visit Washington. During her stay at the capital a bill was passed granting her a pension, in addition to certain lands, which she was to receive as an acknowledgment for her services to the country in a military capacity as a Revolutionary Soldier, in part thanks to the efforts of Paul Revere. **The correct spelling is Samson - inaccurate historians added the letter "P" in later years. There are also several different versions of the story of Deborah Samson, alias Robert Shirtliffe. This one comes from The Women of the American Revolution by Elizabeth F. Ellet, NY, Baker and Scribner, 1848, that's right, eighteen forty eight. In this book Elizabeth Ellet prefaces the story of Deborah Samson with the following: I have been told that the Female Review about this heroine was not in any measure reliable and that Deborah Samson repeatedly expressed her displeasure at the representation of herself which she did not at all recognize. The following facts respecting her I received from a lady * who knew her personally and has often listened with thrilling interest to the animated description given by herself of her exploits and adventures. * A niece of Captain Tisdale, upon whom Robert attended in the army for some months. This same accounting appears in Daughters of America, by Phebe A. Hanaford, Boston, B.B. Russell, 1882, in which Miss Hanaford refers to Niles, Principles and Acts of the Revolution and to a book called Mrs. Hales Biography of Distinguished Women. The first two books mentioned above are in the personal collection of this writer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regardless of which is the authentic version, the fact is that Deborah Samson served her country, in uniform, in the Revolutionary War. Women have done so many unpublicized things that it is time to shed more light on their accomplishments. Did you know that women were torpedoed off the coast of Africa during WWII? Did you know that when Gen MacArthur returned to the Phillipines, Navy nurses were waiting for him on shore and were cut out of the press photos? Did you know that there were women prisoners of war? These pages will continue to light more candles that reflect the deeds and accomplishments of military women...in hopes that future generations will remember that during every conflict Women Were There !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More Women of the Revolution from "Daughters of America",1849 and "Women of the Revolution" 1882: There is the little known story of Rachel and Grace Martin who disguised themselves as men and assailed a British courier and his guards. They took his important dispatches, which they speedily forwarded to General Greene. Then they released the two officers who didn't even know that they were women. Then there is Anna Warner, wife of Captain Elijah Bailey, who earned the title of "The Heroine of Groton" because of her fearless efforts to aid the wounded on the occasion of the terrible massacre at Fort Griswald in Connecticut. Anna Bailey went from house to house collecting material for bandages for the soldiers. Incidentally she denied ever having used the coarse and profane expressions ever attributed to her. Margaret Corbin stepped up to the artillery during the attack on Fort Washington when her husband fell by her side and unhesitatingly took his place and performed his duties. In July of 1779 the Congress awarded her a pension for her heroism - and a suit of clothes. Angelica Vrooman, during the heat of battle, sat calmly in a tent with a bullet mould, some lead and an iron spoon, moulding bullets for the rangers. Mary Hagidorn, upon hearing the order by a Captain Hager, for the women and children to retire to the long cellar, said: "Captain, I shall not go to that cellar should the enemy come. I will take a spear which I can use as well as any man and help defend the fort." The captain seeing her determination answered "then take a spear,Mary, and be ready at the pickets to repel an attack." She cheerfully obeyed and held the spear at the pickets till hurrahs for the American flag burst on her ear and told that all was safe. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nancy Morgan Hart, a dedicated patriot managed to kill British soldiers in her cabin in Georgia. For a great tribute site to her please visit Nancy Hart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the delights of being on the Web is hearing from young students who are doing research on women in war. This particular paper, done by Suzanne Hollis, when she was a Maryland 5th grader, was so impressive, it should be shared with all who visit these pages. Here is Suzanne's paper on "Mad Anne Bailey". Anne Bailey Mad Anne, who was she? During my research I found there were two Anne Baileys. As there being two of them, I would like to tell you what they have in common. Believe it or not, both Anne's had been called "Mad Anne"! They both were living around the same time too. Also they both had husbands who were soldiers. As you can see, they have many things in common. First I'll tell you about Anne Warner Bailey. This Anne happened to be born in October 1758 in Grotton, Conn. Anne was brought up by her uncle Edward Mills. She was married to Elijah Bailey. The Battle at Grotton Heights was one thing she is famous for. It happened in Fort Grizzwald on Sept. 6,1781. After the fighting, Anne walked three miles to the Fort in search of her uncle. She found him heavily wounded. Her uncle asked to see his wife and child before he died. Anne hurried home. When she got there, she had to catch and saddle the family's horse. Anne got the wife and child. and then returned to her uncle . The wife rode the horse while Anne walked and carried the baby. She received the name "Mother Bailey" because of that trip. After she brought the family to the dying uncle, Anne went around to help all others wounded. There was a flannel shortage at Grotton. Flannel was used to make cartridges for muzzle loader guns. On July 13, 1813, Anne went door to door, collecting flannel for the soldiers. She even gave up her own flannel petticoat. It was this patriotic act that gave her the name "Heroine of Grotton". The "Martial Petticoat" has become celebrated in song and story. Anne died on January 10, 1851. Now let me tell you about Anne Trotter Bailey. She was born in Liverpool, England as Anne Hennis in 1742. She went to live with relatives when her parents passed away in 1761. Her relatives lived in Virginia near Staunton in the Shenandoah Valley, U.S.A. She married Richard Trotter in 1765. She had one son named William. When William was 7 his father passed away. Richard was killed in a battle on October 19, 1774. After he died, Anne left William with a neighbor named Mrs. Moses Mann. Then Anne dressed like a man and joined the army. She went to many militia meetings to tell the men to fight the British or the Indians. Anne had four nicknames. They were: "A Daughter of the Revolution", "The Pioneer Herione of the Great Kanawah shore", "Mad Anne" and "The White Squaw of Kanawah". The most fascinating nickname she had, I think, was "Mad Anne". The Indians named her that because they thought she was possessed by an evil spirit and that she was insane. They thought that because she could ride through Indian territory without harm. One time the Indians were chasing Anne. She knew she couldn't out run them so, she jumped off her horse and hid in a hollow log. Although the Indians looked everywhere, they couldn't find her so they took her horse. Later that night, Anne snuck into their camp and stole her horse back. She rode away and at a safe distance, she screamed and yelled like a wild woman. The ride in 1791 was what Anne is most famous for. A runner was sent from Point Pleasant to Ft. Lee to say Indians were going to attack with a large army force within a few days. The ammunition was low in Ft. Lee at the time. They needed ammunition so they could fight off the Indians. Anne rode a very dangerous trail alone. She rode 100 miles to Lewisburg across wilderness without roads to get the gun powder. She returned with the much needed supply of ammunition. Anne died in November 1825 of old age. A poem was written in 1861 by Charles Robb about this ride. It was called " Anne Bailey's Ride". Before I close this report, I would like to say that I think Anne Trotter Bailey is the real "Mad Anne" because she would swear, get drunk and do crazy things, while Anne Warner Bailey said she never used profane language in her life. Who do you think is the real "Mad Anne"? Congratulations Suzanne for a job well done! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q. Why nothing on Molly Pitcher? A. Because we don't really know that there ever was a Molly Pitcher. I'm inclined to agree with historians like Dr. Linda Grant DePauw, President of The Minerva Center, who says in part: "Molly Pitcher is the name of a legendary figure of the American Revolution. She is associated with the Battle of Monmouth and since 1876 has been identified with a woman veteran of the war, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley, who lived in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. As part of the centennary events of that year, an unmarked grave believed to be hers was opened and the remains were reburied with honors under a plaque delaring her to have been the real embodiment of the famous Molly Pitcher. The central theme of the Molly Pitcher story is of a woman whose husband was wounded or killed while serving at an artillery piece at the Battle of Monmouth. She took his place to the admiration of the other soldiers who admired her courage and devotion to her husband. The story has seemingly endless variations, often including a cameo appearance by George Washington who gives her either a gold coin -- in one version a whole hatful of gold coins -- or a promotion to sergeant or captain. Some books even provide elaborate dialogue said to have passed between the camp woman and the commander in chief. In many of these, she speaks with an Irish brogue, but sometimes she is represented as German. Often students doing school projects on "Molly Pitcher" ask for details about her place of birth or childhood experiences and education. There are no historical sources that can provide such information about a legendary character. The real woman, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley was awarded a pension by the State of Pennsylvania in1822 "for services rendered" during the war -- this was more than the usual widow's pension which was awarded to soldiers' wives who marched with the army. So one assumes she did something special. But when she died there was no mention of a cannon or the Battle of Monmouth in her obituary. Historical sources do confirm that at least two women fought in the Battle of Monmouth -- one was at an artillery position and the other was in the infantry line. There is no evidence linking either of them to McCauley."In the beginning of the America we know there was a Revolution. And although the call to arms was for men, several women donned the uniform of a Revolutionary soldier and fought against the British. One of these women was: DEBORAH SAMSON** In October of 1778 Deborah Samson of Plympton, Massachusetts disguised herself as a young man and presented herself to the American army as a willing volunter to oppose the common enemy. She enlisted for the whole term of the war as Robert Shirtliffe and served in the company of Captain Nathan Thayer of Medway, Massachusetts. For three years she served in various duties and was wounded twice - the first time by a sword cut on the side of the head and four months later she was shot through the shoulder. Her sexual identity went undetected until she came down with a brain fever, then prevalent among the soldiers. The attending physician, Dr. Binney, of Philadelphia, discovered her charade, but said nothing. Instead he had her taken to his own home where she would receive better care. When her health was restored the doctor met with Robert's commanding officer and subsequently an order was issued for Robert Shirtliffe to carry a letter to General Washington. (This may also be "legend" as there is no record of her ever being in Philadelphia.) When the order came for her to deliver a letter into the hands of the Commander-in-chief, she knew that her deception was over. She presented herself at the headquarters of Washington, trembling with dread and uncertainty. General Washington, to spare her embarrassment, said nothing. Instead he sent her with an aide to have some refreshments, then summoned her back. In silence Washington handed Deborah Samson a discharge from the service, a note with some words of advice, and a sum of money sufficient to bear her expenses home. (This, too, may well be more legend than fact.) After the war Deborah Samson married Benjamin Gannett of Sharon and they had three children. During George Washington's presidency she received a letter inviting Robert Shirtliffe, or rather Mrs. Gannett, to visit Washington. During her stay at the capital a bill was passed granting her a pension, in addition to certain lands, which she was to receive as an acknowledgment for her services to the country in a military capacity as a Revolutionary Soldier, in part thanks to the efforts of Paul Revere. **The correct spelling is Samson - inaccurate historians added the letter "P" in later years. There are also several different versions of the story of Deborah Samson, alias Robert Shirtliffe. This one comes from The Women of the American Revolution by Elizabeth F. Ellet, NY, Baker and Scribner, 1848, that's right, eighteen forty eight. In this book Elizabeth Ellet prefaces the story of Deborah Samson with the following: I have been told that the Female Review about this heroine was not in any measure reliable and that Deborah Samson repeatedly expressed her displeasure at the representation of herself which she did not at all recognize. The following facts respecting her I received from a lady * who knew her personally and has often listened with thrilling interest to the animated description given by herself of her exploits and adventures. * A niece of Captain Tisdale, upon whom Robert attended in the army for some months. This same accounting appears in Daughters of America, by Phebe A. Hanaford, Boston, B.B. Russell, 1882, in which Miss Hanaford refers to Niles, Principles and Acts of the Revolution and to a book called Mrs. Hales Biography of Distinguished Women. The first two books mentioned above are in the personal collection of this writer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regardless of which is the authentic version, the fact is that Deborah Samson served her country, in uniform, in the Revolutionary War. Women have done so many unpublicized things that it is time to shed more light on their accomplishments. Did you know that women were torpedoed off the coast of Africa during WWII? Did you know that when Gen MacArthur returned to the Phillipines, Navy nurses were waiting for him on shore and were cut out of the press photos? Did you know that there were women prisoners of war? These pages will continue to light more candles that reflect the deeds and accomplishments of military women...in hopes that future generations will remember that during every conflict Women Were There !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More Women of the Revolution from "Daughters of America",1849 and "Women of the Revolution" 1882: There is the little known story of Rachel and Grace Martin who disguised themselves as men and assailed a British courier and his guards. They took his important dispatches, which they speedily forwarded to General Greene. Then they released the two officers who didn't even know that they were women. Then there is Anna Warner, wife of Captain Elijah Bailey, who earned the title of "The Heroine of Groton" because of her fearless efforts to aid the wounded on the occasion of the terrible massacre at Fort Griswald in Connecticut. Anna Bailey went from house to house collecting material for bandages for the soldiers. Incidentally she denied ever having used the coarse and profane expressions ever attributed to her. Margaret Corbin stepped up to the artillery during the attack on Fort Washington when her husband fell by her side and unhesitatingly took his place and performed his duties. In July of 1779 the Congress awarded her a pension for her heroism - and a suit of clothes. Angelica Vrooman, during the heat of battle, sat calmly in a tent with a bullet mould, some lead and an iron spoon, moulding bullets for the rangers. Mary Hagidorn, upon hearing the order by a Captain Hager, for the women and children to retire to the long cellar, said: "Captain, I shall not go to that cellar should the enemy come. I will take a spear which I can use as well as any man and help defend the fort." The captain seeing her determination answered "then take a spear,Mary, and be ready at the pickets to repel an attack." She cheerfully obeyed and held the spear at the pickets till hurrahs for the American flag burst on her ear and told that all was safe. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nancy Morgan Hart, a dedicated patriot managed to kill British soldiers in her cabin in Georgia. For a great tribute site to her please visit Nancy Hart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the delights of being on the Web is hearing from young students who are doing research on women in war. This particular paper, done by Suzanne Hollis, when she was a Maryland 5th grader, was so impressive, it should be shared with all who visit these pages. Here is Suzanne's paper on "Mad Anne Bailey". Anne Bailey Mad Anne, who was she? During my research I found there were two Anne Baileys. As there being two of them, I would like to tell you what they have in common. Believe it or not, both Anne's had been called "Mad Anne"! They both were living around the same time too. Also they both had husbands who were soldiers. As you can see, they have many things in common. First I'll tell you about Anne Warner Bailey. This Anne happened to be born in October 1758 in Grotton, Conn. Anne was brought up by her uncle Edward Mills. She was married to Elijah Bailey. The Battle at Grotton Heights was one thing she is famous for. It happened in Fort Grizzwald on Sept. 6,1781. After the fighting, Anne walked three miles to the Fort in search of her uncle. She found him heavily wounded. Her uncle asked to see his wife and child before he died. Anne hurried home. When she got there, she had to catch and saddle the family's horse. Anne got the wife and child. and then returned to her uncle . The wife rode the horse while Anne walked and carried the baby. She received the name "Mother Bailey" because of that trip. After she brought the family to the dying uncle, Anne went around to help all others wounded. There was a flannel shortage at Grotton. Flannel was used to make cartridges for muzzle loader guns. On July 13, 1813, Anne went door to door, collecting flannel for the soldiers. She even gave up her own flannel petticoat. It was this patriotic act that gave her the name "Heroine of Grotton". The "Martial Petticoat" has become celebrated in song and story. Anne died on January 10, 1851. Now let me tell you about Anne Trotter Bailey. She was born in Liverpool, England as Anne Hennis in 1742. She went to live with relatives when her parents passed away in 1761. Her relatives lived in Virginia near Staunton in the Shenandoah Valley, U.S.A. She married Richard Trotter in 1765. She had one son named William. When William was 7 his father passed away. Richard was killed in a battle on October 19, 1774. After he died, Anne left William with a neighbor named Mrs. Moses Mann. Then Anne dressed like a man and joined the army. She went to many militia meetings to tell the men to fight the British or the Indians. Anne had four nicknames. They were: "A Daughter of the Revolution", "The Pioneer Herione of the Great Kanawah shore", "Mad Anne" and "The White Squaw of Kanawah". The most fascinating nickname she had, I think, was "Mad Anne". The Indians named her that because they thought she was possessed by an evil spirit and that she was insane. They thought that because she could ride through Indian territory without harm. One time the Indians were chasing Anne. She knew she couldn't out run them so, she jumped off her horse and hid in a hollow log. Although the Indians looked everywhere, they couldn't find her so they took her horse. Later that night, Anne snuck into their camp and stole her horse back. She rode away and at a safe distance, she screamed and yelled like a wild woman. The ride in 1791 was what Anne is most famous for. A runner was sent from Point Pleasant to Ft. Lee to say Indians were going to attack with a large army force within a few days. The ammunition was low in Ft. Lee at the time. They needed ammunition so they could fight off the Indians. Anne rode a very dangerous trail alone. She rode 100 miles to Lewisburg across wilderness without roads to get the gun powder. She returned with the much needed supply of ammunition. Anne died in November 1825 of old age. A poem was written in 1861 by Charles Robb about this ride. It was called " Anne Bailey's Ride". Before I close this report, I would like to say that I think Anne Trotter Bailey is the real "Mad Anne" because she would swear, get drunk and do crazy things, while Anne Warner Bailey said she never used profane language in her life. Who do you think is the real "Mad Anne"? Congratulations Suzanne for a job well done! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q. Why nothing on Molly Pitcher? A. Because we don't really know that there ever was a Molly Pitcher. I'm inclined to agree with historians like Dr. Linda Grant DePauw, President of The Minerva Center, who says in part: "Molly Pitcher is the name of a legendary figure of the American Revolution. She is associated with the Battle of Monmouth and since 1876 has been identified with a woman veteran of the war, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley, who lived in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. As part of the centennary events of that year, an unmarked grave believed to be hers was opened and the remains were reburied with honors under a plaque delaring her to have been the real embodiment of the famous Molly Pitcher.In the beginning of the America we know there was a Revolution. And although the call to arms was for men, several women donned the uniform of a Revolutionary soldier and fought against the British. One of these women was: DEBORAH SAMSON** In October of 1778 Deborah Samson of Plympton, Massachusetts disguised herself as a young man and presented herself to the American army as a willing volunter to oppose the common enemy. She enlisted for the whole term of the war as Robert Shirtliffe and served in the company of Captain Nathan Thayer of Medway, Massachusetts. For three years she served in various duties and was wounded twice - the first time by a sword cut on the side of the head and four months later she was shot through the shoulder. Her sexual identity went undetected until she came down with a brain fever, then prevalent among the soldiers. The attending physician, Dr. Binney, of Philadelphia, discovered her charade, but said nothing. Instead he had her taken to his own home where she would receive better care. When her health was restored the doctor met with Robert's commanding officer and subsequently an order was issued for Robert Shirtliffe to carry a letter to General Washington. (This may also be "legend" as there is no record of her ever being in Philadelphia.) When the order came for her to deliver a letter into the hands of the Commander-in-chief, she knew that her deception was over. She presented herself at the headquarters of Washington, trembling with dread and uncertainty. General Washington, to spare her embarrassment, said nothing. Instead he sent her with an aide to have some refreshments, then summoned her back. In silence Washington handed Deborah Samson a discharge from the service, a note with some words of advice, and a sum of money sufficient to bear her expenses home. (This, too, may well be more legend than fact.) After the war Deborah Samson married Benjamin Gannett of Sharon and they had three children. During George Washington's presidency she received a letter inviting Robert Shirtliffe, or rather Mrs. Gannett, to visit Washington. During her stay at the capital a bill was passed granting her a pension, in addition to certain lands, which she was to receive as an acknowledgment for her services to the country in a military capacity as a Revolutionary Soldier, in part thanks to the efforts of Paul Revere. **The correct spelling is Samson - inaccurate historians added the letter "P" in later years. There are also several different versions of the story of Deborah Samson, alias Robert Shirtliffe. This one comes from The Women of the American Revolution by Elizabeth F. Ellet, NY, Baker and Scribner, 1848, that's right, eighteen forty eight. In this book Elizabeth Ellet prefaces the story of Deborah Samson with the following: I have been told that the Female Review about this heroine was not in any measure reliable and that Deborah Samson repeatedly expressed her displeasure at the representation of herself which she did not at all recognize. The following facts respecting her I received from a lady * who knew her personally and has often listened with thrilling interest to the animated description given by herself of her exploits and adventures. * A niece of Captain Tisdale, upon whom Robert attended in the army for some months. This same accounting appears in Daughters of America, by Phebe A. Hanaford, Boston, B.B. Russell, 1882, in which Miss Hanaford refers to Niles, Principles and Acts of the Revolution and to a book called Mrs. Hales Biography of Distinguished Women. The first two books mentioned above are in the personal collection of this writer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regardless of which is the authentic version, the fact is that Deborah Samson served her country, in uniform, in the Revolutionary War. Women have done so many unpublicized things that it is time to shed more light on their accomplishments. Did you know that women were torpedoed off the coast of Africa during WWII? Did you know that when Gen MacArthur returned to the Phillipines, Navy nurses were waiting for him on shore and were cut out of the press photos? Did you know that there were women prisoners of war? These pages will continue to light more candles that reflect the deeds and accomplishments of military women...in hopes that future generations will remember that during every conflict Women Were There !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More Women of the Revolution from "Daughters of America",1849 and "Women of the Revolution" 1882: There is the little known story of Rachel and Grace Martin who disguised themselves as men and assailed a British courier and his guards. They took his important dispatches, which they speedily forwarded to General Greene. Then they released the two officers who didn't even know that they were women. Then there is Anna Warner, wife of Captain Elijah Bailey, who earned the title of "The Heroine of Groton" because of her fearless efforts to aid the wounded on the occasion of the terrible massacre at Fort Griswald in Connecticut. Anna Bailey went from house to house collecting material for bandages for the soldiers. Incidentally she denied ever having used the coarse and profane expressions ever attributed to her. Margaret Corbin stepped up to the artillery during the attack on Fort Washington when her husband fell by her side and unhesitatingly took his place and performed his duties. In July of 1779 the Congress awarded her a pension for her heroism - and a suit of clothes. Angelica Vrooman, during the heat of battle, sat calmly in a tent with a bullet mould, some lead and an iron spoon, moulding bullets for the rangers. Mary Hagidorn, upon hearing the order by a Captain Hager, for the women and children to retire to the long cellar, said: "Captain, I shall not go to that cellar should the enemy come. I will take a spear which I can use as well as any man and help defend the fort." The captain seeing her determination answered "then take a spear,Mary, and be ready at the pickets to repel an attack." She cheerfully obeyed and held the spear at the pickets till hurrahs for the American flag burst on her ear and told that all was safe. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nancy Morgan Hart, a dedicated patriot managed to kill British soldiers in her cabin in Georgia. For a great tribute site to her please visit Nancy Hart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the delights of being on the Web is hearing from young students who are doing research on women in war. This particular paper, done by Suzanne Hollis, when she was a Maryland 5th grader, was so impressive, it should be shared with all who visit these pages. Here is Suzanne's paper on "Mad Anne Bailey". Anne Bailey Mad Anne, who was she? During my research I found there were two Anne Baileys. As there being two of them, I would like to tell you what they have in common. Believe it or not, both Anne's had been called "Mad Anne"! They both were living around the same time too. Also they both had husbands who were soldiers. As you can see, they have many things in common. First I'll tell you about Anne Warner Bailey. This Anne happened to be born in October 1758 in Grotton, Conn. Anne was brought up by her uncle Edward Mills. She was married to Elijah Bailey. The Battle at Grotton Heights was one thing she is famous for. It happened in Fort Grizzwald on Sept. 6,1781. After the fighting, Anne walked three miles to the Fort in search of her uncle. She found him heavily wounded. Her uncle asked to see his wife and child before he died. Anne hurried home. When she got there, she had to catch and saddle the family's horse. Anne got the wife and child. and then returned to her uncle . The wife rode the horse while Anne walked and carried the baby. She received the name "Mother Bailey" because of that trip. After she brought the family to the dying uncle, Anne went around to help all others wounded. There was a flannel shortage at Grotton. Flannel was used to make cartridges for muzzle loader guns. On July 13, 1813, Anne went door to door, collecting flannel for the soldiers. She even gave up her own flannel petticoat. It was this patriotic act that gave her the name "Heroine of Grotton". The "Martial Petticoat" has become celebrated in song and story. Anne died on January 10, 1851. Now let me tell you about Anne Trotter Bailey. She was born in Liverpool, England as Anne Hennis in 1742. She went to live with relatives when her parents passed away in 1761. Her relatives lived in Virginia near Staunton in the Shenandoah Valley, U.S.A. She married Richard Trotter in 1765. She had one son named William. When William was 7 his father passed away. Richard was killed in a battle on October 19, 1774. After he died, Anne left William with a neighbor named Mrs. Moses Mann. Then Anne dressed like a man and joined the army. She went to many militia meetings to tell the men to fight the British or the Indians. Anne had four nicknames. They were: "A Daughter of the Revolution", "The Pioneer Herione of the Great Kanawah shore", "Mad Anne" and "The White Squaw of Kanawah". The most fascinating nickname she had, I think, was "Mad Anne". The Indians named her that because they thought she was possessed by an evil spirit and that she was insane. They thought that because she could ride through Indian territory without harm. One time the Indians were chasing Anne. She knew she couldn't out run them so, she jumped off her horse and hid in a hollow log. Although the Indians looked everywhere, they couldn't find her so they took her horse. Later that night, Anne snuck into their camp and stole her horse back. She rode away and at a safe distance, she screamed and yelled like a wild woman. The ride in 1791 was what Anne is most famous for. A runner was sent from Point Pleasant to Ft. Lee to say Indians were going to attack with a large army force within a few days. The ammunition was low in Ft. Lee at the time. They needed ammunition so they could fight off the Indians. Anne rode a very dangerous trail alone. She rode 100 miles to Lewisburg across wilderness without roads to get the gun powder. She returned with the much needed supply of ammunition. Anne died in November 1825 of old age. A poem was written in 1861 by Charles Robb about this ride. It was called " Anne Bailey's Ride". Before I close this report, I would like to say that I think Anne Trotter Bailey is the real "Mad Anne" because she would swear, get drunk and do crazy things, while Anne Warner Bailey said she never used profane language in her life. Who do you think is the real "Mad Anne"? Congratulations Suzanne for a job well done! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q. Why nothing on Molly Pitcher? A. Because we don't really know that there ever was a Molly Pitcher. I'm inclined to agree with historians like Dr. Linda Grant DePauw, President of The Minerva Center, who says in part: "Molly Pitcher is the name of a legendary figure of the American Revolution. She is associated with the Battle of Monmouth and since 1876 has been identified with a woman veteran of the war, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley, who lived in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. As part of the centennary events of that year, an unmarked grave believed to be hers was opened and the remains were reburied with honors under a plaque delaring her to have been the real embodiment of the famous Molly Pitcher. The central theme of the Molly Pitcher story is of a woman whose husband was wounded or killed while serving at an artillery piece at the Battle of Monmouth. She took his place to the admiration of the other soldiers who admired her courage and devotion to her husband. The story has seemingly endless variations, often including a cameo appearance by George Washington who gives her either a gold coin -- in one version a whole hatful of gold coins -- or a promotion to sergeant or captain. Some books even provide elaborate dialogue said to have passed between the camp woman and the commander in chief. In many of these, she speaks with an Irish brogue, but sometimes she is represented as German. Often students doing school projects on "Molly Pitcher" ask for details about her place of birth or childhood experiences and education. There are no historical sources that can provide such information about a legendary character. The real woman, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley was awarded a pension by the State of Pennsylvania in1822 "for services rendered" during the war -- this was more than the usual widow's pension which was awarded to soldiers' wives who marched with the army. So one assumes she did something special. But when she died there was no mention of a cannon or the Battle of Monmouth in her obituary. Historical sources do confirm that at least two women fought in the Battle of Monmouth -- one was at an artillery position and the other was in the infantry line. There is no evidence linking either of them to McCauley."In the beginning of the America we know there was a Revolution. And although the call to arms was for men, several women donned the uniform of a Revolutionary soldier and fought against the British. One of these women was: DEBORAH SAMSON** In October of 1778 Deborah Samson of Plympton, Massachusetts disguised herself as a young man and presented herself to the American army as a willing volunter to oppose the common enemy. She enlisted for the whole term of the war as Robert Shirtliffe and served in the company of Captain Nathan Thayer of Medway, Massachusetts. For three years she served in various duties and was wounded twice - the first time by a sword cut on the side of the head and four months later she was shot through the shoulder. Her sexual identity went undetected until she came down with a brain fever, then prevalent among the soldiers. The attending physician, Dr. Binney, of Philadelphia, discovered her charade, but said nothing. Instead he had her taken to his own home where she would receive better care. When her health was restored the doctor met with Robert's commanding officer and subsequently an order was issued for Robert Shirtliffe to carry a letter to General Washington. (This may also be "legend" as there is no record of her ever being in Philadelphia.) When the order came for her to deliver a letter into the hands of the Commander-in-chief, she knew that her deception was over. She presented herself at the headquarters of Washington, trembling with dread and uncertainty. General Washington, to spare her embarrassment, said nothing. Instead he sent her with an aide to have some refreshments, then summoned her back. In silence Washington handed Deborah Samson a discharge from the service, a note with some words of advice, and a sum of money sufficient to bear her expenses home. (This, too, may well be more legend than fact.) After the war Deborah Samson married Benjamin Gannett of Sharon and they had three children. During George Washington's presidency she received a letter inviting Robert Shirtliffe, or rather Mrs. Gannett, to visit Washington. During her stay at the capital a bill was passed granting her a pension, in addition to certain lands, which she was to receive as an acknowledgment for her services to the country in a military capacity as a Revolutionary Soldier, in part thanks to the efforts of Paul Revere. **The correct spelling is Samson - inaccurate historians added the letter "P" in later years. There are also several different versions of the story of Deborah Samson, alias Robert Shirtliffe. This one comes from The Women of the American Revolution by Elizabeth F. Ellet, NY, Baker and Scribner, 1848, that's right, eighteen forty eight. In this book Elizabeth Ellet prefaces the story of Deborah Samson with the following: I have been told that the Female Review about this heroine was not in any measure reliable and that Deborah Samson repeatedly expressed her displeasure at the representation of herself which she did not at all recognize. The following facts respecting her I received from a lady * who knew her personally and has often listened with thrilling interest to the animated description given by herself of her exploits and adventures. * A niece of Captain Tisdale, upon whom Robert attended in the army for some months. This same accounting appears in Daughters of America, by Phebe A. Hanaford, Boston, B.B. Russell, 1882, in which Miss Hanaford refers to Niles, Principles and Acts of the Revolution and to a book called Mrs. Hales Biography of Distinguished Women. The first two books mentioned above are in the personal collection of this writer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regardless of which is the authentic version, the fact is that Deborah Samson served her country, in uniform, in the Revolutionary War. Women have done so many unpublicized things that it is time to shed more light on their accomplishments. Did you know that women were torpedoed off the coast of Africa during WWII? Did you know that when Gen MacArthur returned to the Phillipines, Navy nurses were waiting for him on shore and were cut out of the press photos? Did you know that there were women prisoners of war? These pages will continue to light more candles that reflect the deeds and accomplishments of military women...in hopes that future generations will remember that during every conflict Women Were There !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More Women of the Revolution from "Daughters of America",1849 and "Women of the Revolution" 1882: There is the little known story of Rachel and Grace Martin who disguised themselves as men and assailed a British courier and his guards. They took his important dispatches, which they speedily forwarded to General Greene. Then they released the two officers who didn't even know that they were women. Then there is Anna Warner, wife of Captain Elijah Bailey, who earned the title of "The Heroine of Groton" because of her fearless efforts to aid the wounded on the occasion of the terrible massacre at Fort Griswald in Connecticut. Anna Bailey went from house to house collecting material for bandages for the soldiers. Incidentally she denied ever having used the coarse and profane expressions ever attributed to her. Margaret Corbin stepped up to the artillery during the attack on Fort Washington when her husband fell by her side and unhesitatingly took his place and performed his duties. In July of 1779 the Congress awarded her a pension for her heroism - and a suit of clothes. Angelica Vrooman, during the heat of battle, sat calmly in a tent with a bullet mould, some lead and an iron spoon, moulding bullets for the rangers. Mary Hagidorn, upon hearing the order by a Captain Hager, for the women and children to retire to the long cellar, said: "Captain, I shall not go to that cellar should the enemy come. I will take a spear which I can use as well as any man and help defend the fort." The captain seeing her determination answered "then take a spear,Mary, and be ready at the pickets to repel an attack." She cheerfully obeyed and held the spear at the pickets till hurrahs for the American flag burst on her ear and told that all was safe. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nancy Morgan Hart, a dedicated patriot managed to kill British soldiers in her cabin in Georgia. For a great tribute site to her please visit Nancy Hart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the delights of being on the Web is hearing from young students who are doing research on women in war. This particular paper, done by Suzanne Hollis, when she was a Maryland 5th grader, was so impressive, it should be shared with all who visit these pages. Here is Suzanne's paper on "Mad Anne Bailey". Anne Bailey Mad Anne, who was she? During my research I found there were two Anne Baileys. As there being two of them, I would like to tell you what they have in common. Believe it or not, both Anne's had been called "Mad Anne"! They both were living around the same time too. Also they both had husbands who were soldiers. As you can see, they have many things in common. First I'll tell you about Anne Warner Bailey. This Anne happened to be born in October 1758 in Grotton, Conn. Anne was brought up by her uncle Edward Mills. She was married to Elijah Bailey. The Battle at Grotton Heights was one thing she is famous for. It happened in Fort Grizzwald on Sept. 6,1781. After the fighting, Anne walked three miles to the Fort in search of her uncle. She found him heavily wounded. Her uncle asked to see his wife and child before he died. Anne hurried home. When she got there, she had to catch and saddle the family's horse. Anne got the wife and child. and then returned to her uncle . The wife rode the horse while Anne walked and carried the baby. She received the name "Mother Bailey" because of that trip. After she brought the family to the dying uncle, Anne went around to help all others wounded. There was a flannel shortage at Grotton. Flannel was used to make cartridges for muzzle loader guns. On July 13, 1813, Anne went door to door, collecting flannel for the soldiers. She even gave up her own flannel petticoat. It was this patriotic act that gave her the name "Heroine of Grotton". The "Martial Petticoat" has become celebrated in song and story. Anne died on January 10, 1851. Now let me tell you about Anne Trotter Bailey. She was born in Liverpool, England as Anne Hennis in 1742. She went to live with relatives when her parents passed away in 1761. Her relatives lived in Virginia near Staunton in the Shenandoah Valley, U.S.A. She married Richard Trotter in 1765. She had one son named William. When William was 7 his father passed away. Richard was killed in a battle on October 19, 1774. After he died, Anne left William with a neighbor named Mrs. Moses Mann. Then Anne dressed like a man and joined the army. She went to many militia meetings to tell the men to fight the British or the Indians. Anne had four nicknames. They were: "A Daughter of the Revolution", "The Pioneer Herione of the Great Kanawah shore", "Mad Anne" and "The White Squaw of Kanawah". The most fascinating nickname she had, I think, was "Mad Anne". The Indians named her that because they thought she was possessed by an evil spirit and that she was insane. They thought that because she could ride through Indian territory without harm. One time the Indians were chasing Anne. She knew she couldn't out run them so, she jumped off her horse and hid in a hollow log. Although the Indians looked everywhere, they couldn't find her so they took her horse. Later that night, Anne snuck into their camp and stole her horse back. She rode away and at a safe distance, she screamed and yelled like a wild woman. The ride in 1791 was what Anne is most famous for. A runner was sent from Point Pleasant to Ft. Lee to say Indians were going to attack with a large army force within a few days. The ammunition was low in Ft. Lee at the time. They needed ammunition so they could fight off the Indians. Anne rode a very dangerous trail alone. She rode 100 miles to Lewisburg across wilderness without roads to get the gun powder. She returned with the much needed supply of ammunition. Anne died in November 1825 of old age. A poem was written in 1861 by Charles Robb about this ride. It was called " Anne Bailey's Ride". Before I close this report, I would like to say that I think Anne Trotter Bailey is the real "Mad Anne" because she would swear, get drunk and do crazy things, while Anne Warner Bailey said she never used profane language in her life. Who do you think is the real "Mad Anne"? Congratulations Suzanne for a job well done! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q. Why nothing on Molly Pitcher?In the beginning of the America we know there was a Revolution. And although the call to arms was for men, several women donned the uniform of a Revolutionary soldier and fought against the British. One of these women was: DEBORAH SAMSON** In October of 1778 Deborah Samson of Plympton, Massachusetts disguised herself as a young man and presented herself to the American army as a willing volunter to oppose the common enemy. She enlisted for the whole term of the war as Robert Shirtliffe and served in the company of Captain Nathan Thayer of Medway, Massachusetts. For three years she served in various duties and was wounded twice - the first time by a sword cut on the side of the head and four months later she was shot through the shoulder. Her sexual identity went undetected until she came down with a brain fever, then prevalent among the soldiers. The attending physician, Dr. Binney, of Philadelphia, discovered her charade, but said nothing. Instead he had her taken to his own home where she would receive better care. When her health was restored the doctor met with Robert's commanding officer and subsequently an order was issued for Robert Shirtliffe to carry a letter to General Washington. (This may also be "legend" as there is no record of her ever being in Philadelphia.) When the order came for her to deliver a letter into the hands of the Commander-in-chief, she knew that her deception was over. She presented herself at the headquarters of Washington, trembling with dread and uncertainty. General Washington, to spare her embarrassment, said nothing. Instead he sent her with an aide to have some refreshments, then summoned her back. In silence Washington handed Deborah Samson a discharge from the service, a note with some words of advice, and a sum of money sufficient to bear her expenses home. (This, too, may well be more legend than fact.) After the war Deborah Samson married Benjamin Gannett of Sharon and they had three children. During George Washington's presidency she received a letter inviting Robert Shirtliffe, or rather Mrs. Gannett, to visit Washington. During her stay at the capital a bill was passed granting her a pension, in addition to certain lands, which she was to receive as an acknowledgment for her services to the country in a military capacity as a Revolutionary Soldier, in part thanks to the efforts of Paul Revere. **The correct spelling is Samson - inaccurate historians added the letter "P" in later years. There are also several different versions of the story of Deborah Samson, alias Robert Shirtliffe. This one comes from The Women of the American Revolution by Elizabeth F. Ellet, NY, Baker and Scribner, 1848, that's right, eighteen forty eight. In this book Elizabeth Ellet prefaces the story of Deborah Samson with the following: I have been told that the Female Review about this heroine was not in any measure reliable and that Deborah Samson repeatedly expressed her displeasure at the representation of herself which she did not at all recognize. The following facts respecting her I received from a lady * who knew her personally and has often listened with thrilling interest to the animated description given by herself of her exploits and adventures. * A niece of Captain Tisdale, upon whom Robert attended in the army for some months. This same accounting appears in Daughters of America, by Phebe A. Hanaford, Boston, B.B. Russell, 1882, in which Miss Hanaford refers to Niles, Principles and Acts of the Revolution and to a book called Mrs. Hales Biography of Distinguished Women. The first two books mentioned above are in the personal collection of this writer. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regardless of which is the authentic version, the fact is that Deborah Samson served her country, in uniform, in the Revolutionary War. Women have done so many unpublicized things that it is time to shed more light on their accomplishments. Did you know that women were torpedoed off the coast of Africa during WWII? Did you know that when Gen MacArthur returned to the Phillipines, Navy nurses were waiting for him on shore and were cut out of the press photos? Did you know that there were women prisoners of war? These pages will continue to light more candles that reflect the deeds and accomplishments of military women...in hopes that future generations will remember that during every conflict Women Were There !!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- More Women of the Revolution from "Daughters of America",1849 and "Women of the Revolution" 1882: There is the little known story of Rachel and Grace Martin who disguised themselves as men and assailed a British courier and his guards. They took his important dispatches, which they speedily forwarded to General Greene. Then they released the two officers who didn't even know that they were women. Then there is Anna Warner, wife of Captain Elijah Bailey, who earned the title of "The Heroine of Groton" because of her fearless efforts to aid the wounded on the occasion of the terrible massacre at Fort Griswald in Connecticut. Anna Bailey went from house to house collecting material for bandages for the soldiers. Incidentally she denied ever having used the coarse and profane expressions ever attributed to her. Margaret Corbin stepped up to the artillery during the attack on Fort Washington when her husband fell by her side and unhesitatingly took his place and performed his duties. In July of 1779 the Congress awarded her a pension for her heroism - and a suit of clothes. Angelica Vrooman, during the heat of battle, sat calmly in a tent with a bullet mould, some lead and an iron spoon, moulding bullets for the rangers. Mary Hagidorn, upon hearing the order by a Captain Hager, for the women and children to retire to the long cellar, said: "Captain, I shall not go to that cellar should the enemy come. I will take a spear which I can use as well as any man and help defend the fort." The captain seeing her determination answered "then take a spear,Mary, and be ready at the pickets to repel an attack." She cheerfully obeyed and held the spear at the pickets till hurrahs for the American flag burst on her ear and told that all was safe. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nancy Morgan Hart, a dedicated patriot managed to kill British soldiers in her cabin in Georgia. For a great tribute site to her please visit Nancy Hart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One of the delights of being on the Web is hearing from young students who are doing research on women in war. This particular paper, done by Suzanne Hollis, when she was a Maryland 5th grader, was so impressive, it should be shared with all who visit these pages. Here is Suzanne's paper on "Mad Anne Bailey". Anne Bailey Mad Anne, who was she? During my research I found there were two Anne Baileys. As there being two of them, I would like to tell you what they have in common. Believe it or not, both Anne's had been called "Mad Anne"! They both were living around the same time too. Also they both had husbands who were soldiers. As you can see, they have many things in common. First I'll tell you about Anne Warner Bailey. This Anne happened to be born in October 1758 in Grotton, Conn. Anne was brought up by her uncle Edward Mills. She was married to Elijah Bailey. The Battle at Grotton Heights was one thing she is famous for. It happened in Fort Grizzwald on Sept. 6,1781. After the fighting, Anne walked three miles to the Fort in search of her uncle. She found him heavily wounded. Her uncle asked to see his wife and child before he died. Anne hurried home. When she got there, she had to catch and saddle the family's horse. Anne got the wife and child. and then returned to her uncle . The wife rode the horse while Anne walked and carried the baby. She received the name "Mother Bailey" because of that trip. After she brought the family to the dying uncle, Anne went around to help all others wounded. There was a flannel shortage at Grotton. Flannel was used to make cartridges for muzzle loader guns. On July 13, 1813, Anne went door to door, collecting flannel for the soldiers. She even gave up her own flannel petticoat. It was this patriotic act that gave her the name "Heroine of Grotton". The "Martial Petticoat" has become celebrated in song and story. Anne died on January 10, 1851. Now let me tell you about Anne Trotter Bailey. She was born in Liverpool, England as Anne Hennis in 1742. She went to live with relatives when her parents passed away in 1761. Her relatives lived in Virginia near Staunton in the Shenandoah Valley, U.S.A. She married Richard Trotter in 1765. She had one son named William. When William was 7 his father passed away. Richard was killed in a battle on October 19, 1774. After he died, Anne left William with a neighbor named Mrs. Moses Mann. Then Anne dressed like a man and joined the army. She went to many militia meetings to tell the men to fight the British or the Indians. Anne had four nicknames. They were: "A Daughter of the Revolution", "The Pioneer Herione of the Great Kanawah shore", "Mad Anne" and "The White Squaw of Kanawah". The most fascinating nickname she had, I think, was "Mad Anne". The Indians named her that because they thought she was possessed by an evil spirit and that she was insane. They thought that because she could ride through Indian territory without harm. One time the Indians were chasing Anne. She knew she couldn't out run them so, she jumped off her horse and hid in a hollow log. Although the Indians looked everywhere, they couldn't find her so they took her horse. Later that night, Anne snuck into their camp and stole her horse back. She rode away and at a safe distance, she screamed and yelled like a wild woman. The ride in 1791 was what Anne is most famous for. A runner was sent from Point Pleasant to Ft. Lee to say Indians were going to attack with a large army force within a few days. The ammunition was low in Ft. Lee at the time. They needed ammunition so they could fight off the Indians. Anne rode a very dangerous trail alone. She rode 100 miles to Lewisburg across wilderness without roads to get the gun powder. She returned with the much needed supply of ammunition. Anne died in November 1825 of old age. A poem was written in 1861 by Charles Robb about this ride. It was called " Anne Bailey's Ride". Before I close this report, I would like to say that I think Anne Trotter Bailey is the real "Mad Anne" because she would swear, get drunk and do crazy things, while Anne Warner Bailey said she never used profane language in her life. Who do you think is the real "Mad Anne"? Congratulations Suzanne for a job well done! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Q. Why nothing on Molly Pitcher? A. Because we don't really know that there ever was a Molly Pitcher. I'm inclined to agree with historians like Dr. Linda Grant DePauw, President of The Minerva Center, who says in part: "Molly Pitcher is the name of a legendary figure of the American Revolution. She is associated with the Battle of Monmouth and since 1876 has been identified with a woman veteran of the war, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley, who lived in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. As part of the centennary events of that year, an unmarked grave believed to be hers was opened and the remains were reburied with honors under a plaque delaring her to have been the real embodiment of the famous Molly Pitcher. The central theme of the Molly Pitcher story is of a woman whose husband was wounded or killed while serving at an artillery piece at the Battle of Monmouth. She took his place to the admiration of the other soldiers who admired her courage and devotion to her husband. The story has seemingly endless variations, often including a cameo appearance by George Washington who gives her either a gold coin -- in one version a whole hatful of gold coins -- or a promotion to sergeant or captain. Some books even provide elaborate dialogue said to have passed between the camp woman and the commander in chief. In many of these, she speaks with an Irish brogue, but sometimes she is represented as German. Often students doing school projects on "Molly Pitcher" ask for details about her place of birth or childhood experiences and education. There are no historical sources that can provide such information about a legendary character. The real woman, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley was awarded a pension by the State of Pennsylvania in1822 "for services rendered" during the war -- this was more than the usual widow's pension which was awarded to soldiers' wives who marched with the army. So one assumes she did something special. But when she died there was no mention of a cannon or the Battle of Monmouth in her obituary. Historical sources do confirm that at least two women fought in the Battle of Monmouth -- one was at an artillery position and the other was in the infantry line. There is no evidence linking either of them to McCauley." A. Because we don't really know that there ever was a Molly Pitcher. I'm inclined to agree with historians like Dr. Linda Grant DePauw, President of The Minerva Center, who says in part: "Molly Pitcher is the name of a legendary figure of the American Revolution. She is associated with the Battle of Monmouth and since 1876 has been identified with a woman veteran of the war, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley, who lived in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. As part of the centennary events of that year, an unmarked grave believed to be hers was opened and the remains were reburied with honors under a plaque delaring her to have been the real embodiment of the famous Molly Pitcher. The central theme of the Molly Pitcher story is of a woman whose husband was wounded or killed while serving at an artillery piece at the Battle of Monmouth. She took his place to the admiration of the other soldiers who admired her courage and devotion to her husband. The story has seemingly endless variations, often including a cameo appearance by George Washington who gives her either a gold coin -- in one version a whole hatful of gold coins -- or a promotion to sergeant or captain. Some books even provide elaborate dialogue said to have passed between the camp woman and the commander in chief. In many of these, she speaks with an Irish brogue, but sometimes she is represented as German. Often students doing school projects on "Molly Pitcher" ask for details about her place of birth or childhood experiences and education. There are no historical sources that can provide such information about a legendary character. The real woman, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley was awarded a pension by the State of Pennsylvania in1822 "for services rendered" during the war -- this was more than the usual widow's pension which was awarded to soldiers' wives who marched with the army. So one assumes she did something special. But when she died there was no mention of a cannon or the Battle of Monmouth in her obituary. Historical sources do confirm that at least two women fought in the Battle of Monmouth -- one was at an artillery position and the other was in the infantry line. There is no evidence linking either of them to McCauley." The central theme of the Molly Pitcher story is of a woman whose husband was wounded or killed while serving at an artillery piece at the Battle of Monmouth. She took his place to the admiration of the other soldiers who admired her courage and devotion to her husband. The story has seemingly endless variations, often including a cameo appearance by George Washington who gives her either a gold coin -- in one version a whole hatful of gold coins -- or a promotion to sergeant or captain. Some books even provide elaborate dialogue said to have passed between the camp woman and the commander in chief. In many of these, she speaks with an Irish brogue, but sometimes she is represented as German. Often students doing school projects on "Molly Pitcher" ask for details about her place of birth or childhood experiences and education. There are no historical sources that can provide such information about a legendary character. The real woman, Mary Ludwig Hays McCauley was awarded a pension by the State of Pennsylvania in1822 "for services rendered" during the war -- this was more than the usual widow's pension which was awarded to soldiers' wives who marched with the army. So one assumes she did something special. But when she died there was no mention of a cannon or the Battle of Monmouth in her obituary. Historical sources do confirm that at least two women fought in the Battle of Monmouth -- one was at an artillery position and the other was in the infantry line. There is no evidence linking either of them to McCauley."
Keith Patterson
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 07:07:55 (PDT)

guy man keeep offffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
guy man <mumu@mumumugu.com>
lome, lome togo - Friday, September 05, 2003 at 05:54:03 (PDT)

I was not blasting off to my fellowmen back home. I think I was shocked at reading such an article, as i think of back home, as being proper, and having respect and dignity for human life. I am aware more than anyone one of you of the issues here in USA with the lack of morals, values, the lack of respect to human life, and the lack of protocol, dignity and principles. Yes, you are right, I have become "Americanised" as our cultures are rather different, however, there is a big part of me which is very British and that I will not change. I believe all of my American friends would confirm that I am still very proper, and live by principles. I am also a strong advocate for Human Rights and Respect to Life. I am very saddened by the fact here in USA children are rarely taught to have respect for human life and respect for their own bodies, as well as repect for women. The Television over here is just frightful at times - they focus too much on sex, homosexuals, money and power. Children are now becoming desensitized to violence, and disrespt. (Though, I think this is everywhere in the Western Culture - not just here in USA) Everywhere we have fallen so far away from God and from the correct dignified morals, principles and values. Children today really do not know the meaning of a sincere marriage between "mom and dad" as their are too many divorces, too many adults having affairs and just not caring about it or the effects it has on children. Too mnay people are now just living together and when they are tired of each other or had enough, or got bored, they move out and another one moves in, regardless of the effects it has on children. We all need to evaluate ourselves and get back to the basic principles of life.
Jacqueline
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 04:34:04 (PDT)

http://www.ecpatusa.org/pdf/cseypnc.pdf Dear Jackie, get off your soap box pet! You want to talk about child prostitution, check out the link and you can read about the 5,000 child prostitutes aged from 12 up working in New York. Clean up your own mess before preaching to us!
John Mitchell <http://www.ecpatusa.org/pdf/cseypnc.pdf>
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 03:24:59 (PDT)

This live today?
Frank Weatherall
- Friday, September 05, 2003 at 03:18:54 (PDT)

Why do'nt you come home Jacqueline? Blasting off safley from American soil at people who are your Kin after all, is undignified and churlish. Come live with your people,if you really care, or do you feel too Americanised?
Critics Choice
- Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 22:47:03 (PDT)

I have just read in the Sunderland Echo 'online' that girls as young as 12 years old are being forced into prostitution in the Wearside area. I think it is disgraceful beyond all belief! What has gone wrong with society? Do people no longer have respect for life and human dignity?
Jacqueline
- Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 13:08:42 (PDT)

"wise One' somehow I could indeed see you being a Vicar - and a very good one too. You are conservative, realistic and intuned with society - and not to mention you do the best of your ability to follow your faith. I think Seaham may need a Vicar like you. You may want to think about it - it could be your "calling' and I am being serious. God Bless... Friendship love...
Jacqueline
- Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 12:43:44 (PDT)

"Wise One" I see you are still full of 'wit' with your comebacks. But how do you know that "Guest" is from Down-under? Do you hold some form of physic powers? So what are you doing on the computer this time of night? Don't you have other things to do? Hey guess what? I found doing some research on churches in Scotland - that there is a Rev with your exact name! I thought to myself, "No! That can't be my friend - unless he has become a Vicar and not told me." I hope you are well. By the way, I think a peaceful picket outside the docks would be a great thing. Bye1 have a nice day! and Smile! :)
Jacqueline
- Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 12:39:49 (PDT)

Yes Wise One, Pickets are effective. Greenham Common springs to mind-all woman, they stayed at this site for a long time untill the missiles were gone. I know the Docks are a different kettle of fish. The coal owners took them over then simply handed them on. Seaham and the Docks belong to the people of Seaham,the Docs are there for ever-unlike people.
Critics Choice
- Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 10:37:10 (PDT)

I would love to hear from any people related to the Cooper family who lived in North Battery on the cliffs opposite Lover's Lane (Denehouse Road) up to 1942. Great Guest Book!
Stan Cooper
Sale, Cheshire UK - Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 09:36:30 (PDT)

What a great guest book! I've left it alone for over a year but now it's transformed. Now I get up to date on Seaham without going to church, visiting a shrink or standing next to a soapbox. Thank you all for really making me happy and the guest book beautiful!
Sam
Leeds, UK - Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 09:31:39 (PDT)

Any chance of changing the background on the guest book? Being a similar colour to the print makes it a tad difficult to read. Thanks in advance.
Frank Weatherall
Easington Village, - Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 09:30:10 (PDT)

Critics Choice, admire your stand re. Docks access, but I don't think force is the answer. what these unfeeling People do not like is "adverse publicity" has anyone thought of a peaceful Picket presence at the Dock entrance? I would volunteer to assist in any peaceful action.
Wise One
- Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 08:18:26 (PDT)

To "A Guest" Cor You must be physic Mate! you're may be right about the assorted books and its a pity you dont have these accessories apart from the big "Dunces Cap" of which you obviously have an abundance! You missed out my proudest possession, namely my "Magpies" shirt, Oh and how is the weather down-under?
Wise One
- Thursday, September 04, 2003 at 08:13:18 (PDT)

Excellent!! I realy appreciate your effort. Keep it up.
Vanny Kant <vannylin.com>
los fedos, ca usa - Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 22:15:03 (PDT)

I would like to trace any member of the Dingwell family whose ancestors lived in Henry St during '20's and 30's. Jimmy Gilbert
Jimmy Gilbert <jimmy.gilbert@bigpond.com>
Balga, Western Australia Australia - Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 19:10:47 (PDT)

Privet. Alex, please send me email
animated <animated>
- Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 14:57:58 (PDT)

Well, you really impress me. Its comforting and refreshing to know there are still people in this world that give a damn!
Iva Vanmer <iva_vm.co.uk>
london, ln uk - Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 12:16:08 (PDT)

Wise one is always quoting this and that. I have a picture in my mind of him sitting at the computer with a pile of dictionaries/quotation books/put downs/encyclopedias etc on either side of him & a great big dunces hat on his great 'bighead'.
a guest
- Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 08:53:44 (PDT)

Yes I think we should drop the subject of "Gays etc" but I would like to point out that the opposite of straight is bent! and the opposite of gay is unhappy, miserable or just plain "cheesed off" The origin of the word with regard to Homosexuals was started in Prisons as "derogatory slang" enough said by me on this subject!
Wise One
- Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 05:32:11 (PDT)

I actually would love to know some vital information about the reality 'goings on" in Seaham. But as I no longer live there, it is hard for me to give out sugestions. I love to read on our guest book what is going on back there. ............. I am actually the one "guilty" who starts the debates on politics, religion and "this and that" only to "Zest" up the G/B when it gets a bit boring - and boy, do I start qutie a stir. But it would not happen if more people would discuss what is actually going on in the town and how it can be improved. For example: Church Street! Anyway, people who are still living in Seaham, get more involved and keep us expats up to date. have a great day everyone!
Jacqueline
- Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 05:31:32 (PDT)

If you really want the Docks to belong to you again, take them by force. It's always been the case that the men who own the money own everything. Take the Docks back if you really want them....Get moving Seaham Folk.
Ctitic's Choice
- Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 05:30:26 (PDT)

Hi Val, you say that S.H.A.R.C. has been meeting for 6 months now, but could you tell me how many people attend the meetings? I fully support what you are trying to achieve, but from a distance there is little I can do to help. One thing I can do is encourage the resident strain of my family to give support. It is easy to criticise, and (without knowing what you are doing) the only thing I find wrong is the word committee. Committee’s tends to talk a lot but do very little, where as an Action Group is intent on making things happen. You may find that a lot more people would be keen to get involved in that way. Just on one point, if a lot of residents from different parts of Seaham are involved, they can attend the local councillors surgeries, and demand positive action from them. I feel sure that some people from Murton etc. would be just as willing to get involved. Please let us know what is happening via the guest book, we may be ex-pats but we are still interest! ed in what is happening in Seaham. Regards TOM
Tom Moreland <dadmoreland1@aol.com>
London, - Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 05:29:20 (PDT)

Well the clean out at the Stadium of Light has been completed. The Lads have given Mick three well deserved wins and everything on the horizon is suddenly rosey. We're now on our way to automatic promotion! Mick's an intelligent, sincere and astute man but unfortunately he is working with others whose past record is quite the opposite. These guys got us into trouble and I am betting they'll keep us there for quite some time. So I might buy a ticket for the Crystal Palace game but I will not renew my season ticket until Murray keeps his word and goes.
Mick's Mentor
Seaham, Engl;and - Wednesday, September 03, 2003 at 02:09:25 (PDT)

To Val Roberts, Come on Val "the Council SAYS it is in support" You like myself and many other have attended meeting held by the Town Council to try and sort out the Problem at the Docks so they are not just SAYING they are doing what they can. Lets try and stick to the facts.
Sal
Seaham, - Monday, September 01, 2003 at 15:38:18 (PDT)

Just wanted to announce my marriage to Lynne, 23/08/03. Get in touch if yu remember me!
Mick Balmer <newlyn6@aol.com>
Keighley, West Yorkshire UK - Monday, September 01, 2003 at 15:35:36 (PDT)

You know you are living in a crazy world when a lad from Seaham has to visit places like Seahouse and Whitby just to walk round a harbour or piers. Other towns want tourists to come and look around but what do we do? Build fences and hire gaurds to keep people out!??! Whats next machine gun turrets.
It's all Greek to me
Seaham, - Monday, September 01, 2003 at 15:34:09 (PDT)

Thanks Val Roberts, will contact you. Very surprised that you seem to be the only party interested in a vital area of Seahams life. Read a lot of crap on the guest book about politics, religion and gays, all intersting topics; but little of substance about SEAHAM. Are there financial links between the Dock Co and the Council? Has anyone expressed exactly what the H&S problems are? Seems to be quite a bit of complacency back home.
Steve Smith
- Monday, September 01, 2003 at 15:33:11 (PDT)

I'm not gay or owt but can we change the subject?
sherwood forrester
- Sunday, August 31, 2003 at 15:17:41 (PDT)

Hi "wise One" so how your sport watching coming along? Anyway, how are things for you? I hope well. As i was telling "NTJ" that I am doing well. I love being in New York - the city is great! I cannot believe I am near the city, as I am more of a small town, country gal. Though driving is at the moment a huge challenge. I despise all this traffic! There are lots of "goings on" in New York and political too! Anyway, I was thinking of taking Irish step dancing, but have decided that I think ballroom dancing would be more of an asset; so will be starting ballroom dancing soon, as well as my regular work outs with swimming and going on the ski-machines. I have found some excellent places to eat and to shop! I am also just driving distances to Pennsylvania, Boston, and other states which is great! So my summer is over, it was a fun summer, I learned many things about political campaigning and working with some of our homeless. As well as I got to go to West Virginia, p! laces in Maryland and vacation/work in Florida and vacation in Texas. (still did not learn how to properly water ski though, but still had fun!) So.. I hope your summer was as fun as mine. Anyway, look forward to eharing from you soon. "Friendship Love".....
Jacqueline
- Sunday, August 31, 2003 at 15:16:34 (PDT)

To "Not Thomas Johnson" How are you? Good to see you back on the G/B again. I am doing well these days. Love New York! And my work. The city is great! So much "goings on' I was really nervous at first about coming this far north, as I love the south (mainly Texas) and the hot weather. New York has a lot oc cold snowy winters! (Yuk!) But in New York there is a lot of political excitiment, just as in DC this past summer. Anyway, hope you are well. God Bless...
Jacqueline
- Sunday, August 31, 2003 at 15:14:55 (PDT)

Steve Smith ( 29th August 2003 ) There is an action group formed to fight for public access to certain parts of the Dock Area. S.H.A.R.C ( Seaham Harbour Access Rights Committee ) we have been meeting for about six months. We are totally committed to regaining a public right of way onto the North Dock for the people of seaham and regain access for small boat owners. This is the only port in County Durham, we are in the middle of Sunderland and Hartlepool where wonderful development has taken place and what are they doing to a regenerated Seaham Harbour Dock ( Lots of money been given to inmprove the Seaham Harbour Dock Co ) shutting the residents of Seaham out. It seems to me that the local residents are suffering through regeneration - am I the only one who thinks something is wrong. Our local elected representatives SAY they support us but all I can say is action speaks louder than words.
Val Roberts <valerir_2000_uk@yahoo.co.uk>
Seaham Harbour, - Sunday, August 31, 2003 at 15:14:11 (PDT)

Sadie, I suppose it's what one would call poetic licence (I think that's the phrase)of the guestbook administrator, if you say it's ok to use the guestbook for debate, as I can't find any such intention in the 'purpose of the guestbook'.
richard
- Friday, August 29, 2003 at 16:47:53 (PDT)

Sadie, I suppose it's what one would call poetic licence (I think that's the phrase)of the guestbook administrator, if you say it's ok to use the guestbook for debate, as I can't find any such intention in the 'purpose of the guestbook'.
Sara Norton
Seaham, - Friday, August 29, 2003 at 16:47:21 (PDT)

Tony, if you're checkin' the book giz a bell marra! Thomas, how about that pint at the H? Have you been to 'F-San' country lately, I think I'll be back in October. Howdy Vic, and hello to Miss Austen 1999, you know who you are. Why no response?
Not Thomas Johnson
- Friday, August 29, 2003 at 16:41:42 (PDT)

As an ex Seaham Lad I visited Seaham by sea a few years ago and my crew of southerners were very impressed with the harbour and the hospitality. Another feature of the visit was the huge crowd of fishermen on the N Pier; it seemed vastly popular. Is it true what I hear, that the Harbour Company have excluded townfolk from the harbour on the grounds of health and safety? If so its a disgrace. Such issues can be addressed with a bit of funding. Is the council not doing anything to reinstate access? Is there a pressure group I can join? DONT LET THIS HAPPEN!!
steve smith <Yacht Lord Portal>
various - Friday, August 29, 2003 at 16:40:38 (PDT)

Butterfly, you'r an ok person. I'm a gay christian, have lived with my male partner for 33 years. I was born in Seaham. In my travels I have met many gays who also come from Seaham. They still love their place of birth and so do I. I would love to come back with all the other Seaham gays and have a street party in Church Street Precinct.
Beresford
- Wednesday, August 27, 2003 at 16:41:09 (PDT)

Butterfly Stomach You are right I guess it boils down to we are afraid of what we don't know or understand.I do not know ayone who is gay .One thing mind you my teachers were not like yours you were lucky.
Miss Manners
- Wednesday, August 27, 2003 at 16:38:47 (PDT)

The folks are due back from Europe on Wednesday and we have a house to clean, a computer to put back to” normal”, and washing to do, among other chores. I’ve enjoyed chatting and wish you all good luck for the future. My house-sitting duties are over and so is my sabbatical, so it’s back to work for me.Good bye and may the wind always be at your back.
Not so Posh!!!!
- Wednesday, August 27, 2003 at 16:37:39 (PDT)

Dear "Wise One" Thank you so mauch for the invite to a Cricket game. I have to be honest and admit I do not know too much about Cricket, but I am more than sure I would enjoy going to the game as I I love to spectate at sports games. However, "Wise One" sweetie, I think it would be hard for you to take me to a Cricket game or to any event, whether it be to dinner, the museum, a picnic, to the fair, or to a broadway play as I am here in USA and you are back there in England. Would like very much if you came out to visit me. I am sure, we "Romeo and Juliet" could arrange that. We do a good job of our "friendship." Also, thanks "Miss Manners" for agreeing with me. To "Anon" I think we should just agree to disagree. and "Butterfly Stomach" I think you may have made some valid points in your posting. Well... I am off for now... talk to everyone later. Have a super evening. God Bless.. Your Guest Book friend...
Jacqueline
- Wednesday, August 27, 2003 at 16:36:16 (PDT)

To Syeve D and Terry Cowell, This Guest Book is the forum for finding old friends or relations. It is also used for debating topics of interest. Why don't you try posting a message you may be surprised at the result.
Sadie M
Seaham, - Monday, August 25, 2003 at 15:51:49 (PDT)

I'd just like to say well done to the site!Well done for providing a service where people can see that old friends that had been presumed to have left the planet;or had adopted a previously unexpected persona;were actually still prevalent,and well.I would ask my friend in particular(who fits this description) to remove me from they're hotmail chum's.I will take this as final proof that all connections between us are to be severed once and for all.Maybe a text will do instead?
JGG
- Monday, August 25, 2003 at 15:45:23 (PDT)

Why should gays not be allowed tutorial roles with our youths? Being gay does not make them any less able to do their jobs than us straight people. When I was at school there were a lot of single teachers, but I never once thought that they were gay. Some of them probably were, but they never spoke of their private life any more than the married teachers did. It is not gays who are the problem with our children, it is the paedophiles & they can be either gay or straight. We have to protect our children from these perverts & that means better vetting to posts, not discriminating against consenting adults sexual preferences. How many of our highly respectable teachers who taught us gave us sound advice when we needed them, who guided us along our paths to adulthood, were into stuff like bondage & masochism or something dreadful like being a closet des o'conner fan? (YIKES!) The answer is we just don't know. My point is we don't know what the teachers got up to w! hen they got home, but at school they were totally professional, teaching us to be true to ourselves & to achieve our potential. I'm thankful to all my teachers, whether they were straight or gay, whether I liked them or not as they all helped shape me into the person I am today.
Butterfly Stomach
- Monday, August 25, 2003 at 15:44:03 (PDT)

When I was a boy all I ever wanted was a new bike. I prayed every night in the hope that my wish would be granted. After a few years I realized God didn’t work his wonders in such a way. So I pinched one from up West Lea and then prayed for forgiveness
Isaac
- Monday, August 25, 2003 at 15:42:25 (PDT)

To Syeve D
Wise One
- Monday, August 25, 2003 at 15:41:48 (PDT)
Jacqueline, are you a Cricket Fan? I would just love to take you to a game!
Wise One
- Monday, August 25, 2003 at 15:40:23 (PDT)
There's no doubt that our Rugby Union Lads are a match for anyone in the World! modesty prevents me from saying "more than a Match!" If only our overpaid, under performing Cricketers were half as good! The latest match against the South Africans beggers belief! They were at one time knocking the S.A. bowlers all over the pitch! and then unbelievably, when offered the light walked off, letting the S.As off the hook, Butcher's reasoning was "if we had refused the light and then lost a wicket, we'd have been ridiculed" well what happened when they came back on to similar lighting conditions? yes they lost two wickets in quick succession and it was a turning point to losing the game. They showed no thought for the 14,000 Customers who paid upwards of £40-00 for the priviledge of watching their inept performance. Of the present team only 2 or 3 would get a place in an Ozzie side and not many more in a N.Z one, so what are we to make of it? Cricket is very much ! run by the "Establishment" a relic of the Old British School which should have been disbanded with the Empire. It seems the Cricketers Down-under play like Men and We play like Boys (no offence to the Boys!) Have any of the Ex-pat readers of this Guestbook got any ideas on how to put the pride back into English Cricket? apart from kicking out the Establishment that is
Wise One
- Monday, August 25, 2003 at 15:39:49 (PDT)
Can anyone help me with the whereabouts of the Seaham Harbour Guestbook. I seem to have found this forum but no real area to post questions about old friends in and around Seaham, and to discuss topics relating to this great old town. Thanks Thanks
Syeve D <namouzizis@agni.gr>
tannock, Corfu Greece - Sunday, August 24, 2003 at 14:46:10 (PDT)
Can anyone help me with the whereabouts of the Seaham Harbour Guestbook. I seem to have found this forum but no real area to post questions about old friends in and around Seaham, and to discuss topics relating to this great old town. Thanks Thanks
Syeve D <namouzizis@agni.gr>
Corfu Greece - Sunday, August 24, 2003 at 14:45:58 (PDT)
I came to the guest book hoping to find clues about my family who used to live here instead i have to trawl through absolute drivel and nonsense instead well i wont bother again
terry cowell <terry@cowell22.worldonline.co.uk>
tannock, staffs united kingdom - Sunday, August 24, 2003 at 14:44:26 (PDT)
How long before Seaham becomes part of Sunderland - Ryhope in expanding south and lets just hope we dont get house built down Byrons walk
Dave Ritchie <dave.ritchie@hardrockers.com>
Seaham, Durham - Sunday, August 24, 2003 at 14:41:18 (PDT)
Why were the Saints, Saints? ............... Because they were cheerful when it was difficult to be cheerful, patient when it was difficult to be patient; and because they pushed on when they wanted to stand still. They kept silent when they wanted to talk and were agreeable when they wanted to be disagreeable. That was all.............. It was quite simple and always will be. From the Order of the Daughters of St. Paul.
Jacqueline
- Sunday, August 24, 2003 at 14:40:08 (PDT)
I am afraid Markie has a point when it comes to our youth.It seems to be a fashion for young women right now to be lesbian.Young women are necking and putting on real shows in nightclubs etc I am sure its really to try and turn on guys but it is happening .I am certain all these girls are not gay .It boils down to men who think it's okay for women to be together but not two guys .I don't think gay's should be in any tutorial role with our youth.We have all heard the horror stories of men who were raped and molested by priests,scout leaders or sport coaches etc these boys grew up to be very confused young men as to what they were gay or straight.One good thing about these men coming out is we as parents will not send our children to them but its a shame I don't think those type of men will openly declare themselves gay.
Miss Manners
- Sunday, August 24, 2003 at 14:39:00 (PDT)
I am afraid Markie has a point when it comes to our youth.It seems to be a fashion for young women right now to be lesbian.Young women are necking and putting on real shows in nightclubs etc I am sure its really to try and turn on guys but it is happening .I am certain all these girls are not gay .It boils down to men who think it's okay for women to be together but not two guys .I don't think gay's should be in any tutorial role with our youth.We have all heard the horror stories of men who were raped and molested by priests,scout leaders or sport coaches etc these boys grew up to be very confused young men as to what they were gay or straight.One good thing about these men coming out is we as parents will not send our children to them but its a shame I don't think those type of men will openly declare themselves gay.
Miss Manners
- Sunday, August 24, 2003 at 14:38:53 (PDT)
Dear Jacqueline, why can't you ever get your facts right? Homosexuality is not considered a sin in ALL religions. Homosexuals are thought to have a special spiritual status in some Native American religions. Reform Jews and Buddists do not consider homosexuality a sin. Why do you keep on about homosexuality? Is there something you'd like to share with us?
Bunyard's Exhibition
- Sunday, August 24, 2003 at 14:36:47 (PDT)
DEAR MISS ALMIGHTY MARKIE i dont think anyone is looking for an argument at all. Its just u r ready to pull gay people down for there actions (as u call it)well u should be pulled down for ur actions. live and let live . as for gays continuing to flaunt their lifestyle upon the rest of society well lets say not all gays do that. Also why should gays go about like hetrosexuals when clearly thats taking their rights as human beings away from them. I dont think u would like ur rights taken from u, now would u.
anon not ANON
- Sunday, August 24, 2003 at 14:35:49 (PDT)
JACQELINE - - Why don't you drop this gay issue.As usual you have no idea what you are ranting about just digging the hole deeper and you will fall into it while making a fool of yourself again. Get a life.
Wasaga
- Sunday, August 24, 2003 at 14:34:42 (PDT)
As everyone knows, American Companies are either corrupt or incompitent so the electricity crisis was bound to happen Jacqueline dear.
Critics Choice
- Thursday, August 21, 2003 at 15:27:35 (PDT)
"Wise One" I may try to get to visit with you on Friday - schedule may look good. If not, I will try again next week. Hope you are well. God Bless. :)
Jacqueline
- Thursday, August 21, 2003 at 15:26:29 (PDT)
To "Anon" you are really irritating me, because you missed my point completely. You are being defensive, looking for an arguement and are going to irritate until you get an arguement. My point was not that gays are wrong, my point was the fact that a gay bishop has been elected to to be a leader of the church which goes against ALL religions. It goes against what God teaches in the Bible. And let me tell you for your information, at the University of Michigan, they are now having classes on "Being Gay 101" Now tell me what on earth do the gay community think they are doing? So why don't we hetrosexuals have a class on being hetrosexual? Of course if we try to do that, we will be accused of being judgmental. But it is okay for the gay community to have classes on "Being Gay 101." Don't you be ignorant and say that is NOT going to encourag the curious minds of our young college students who are impressionable - of course it is. I can bet it may stary some kind of "ex! periment" between the students. I think you missed my point competely. I could care whether someone is gay or not, but what I care about is how they continue to flaunt their lifestyle upon the rest of society. If the gays went about as hetrosexual do and just be discreet, then no one would care if they are gay or not. God loves ALL of us, but he dislikes our sin and we ALL have sin upon us. "ANON" I do accept ALL people for who they are, but I do not have to like some of their actions. A leader of a church or of boyscouts, who is openly gay, ought to take a step down from leadership when in a position influencing children and young adults. "ANON" I think you are being way too defensive about this issue... I am not discussing it again with you. Have a nice day.
Jacqueline
- Thursday, August 21, 2003 at 15:25:50 (PDT)
To anon, I would say that God will welcome anyone into the Kingdom of heaven if they are truly repentant of their sins, including repentant Gays, who have truly sinned.
Wise One
- Wednesday, August 20, 2003 at 16:07:36 (PDT)
Jacqueline, I do not for one moment think that Al-Qaida were responsible for the power breakdown in the US, the last time they had such a power failure, nine Months later there was a mini-Baby boom! could that be a benificial side effect of the present breakdown? Doesn't God move in mysterious ways?
Wise One
- Wednesday, August 20, 2003 at 16:06:56 (PDT)
Mick's Mentor, It amazes me that I can agree with a "Black Cat" but you are right! Reid and Murray are mainly to blame for Sunderland's demise, Reid has paid the price (and been well-paid-off) but the Man at the top is still there. He should have the decency to "fall on his own sword" We Magpies are riding high at the moment, but we have a different and can I say better setup than the BCs. Our Manager is second to none and totally committed to the cause, not committed to the money as some I could mention. It gives me no joy to see Sunderland's position. I fear that there is a lot of "blood-letting" to take place yet at the S. of L.
Wise One
- Wednesday, August 20, 2003 at 16:06:17 (PDT)
A woman is looking in the mirror and she says "Oh God I look awful! I am putting on weight, Ive got bags under my eyes and my hair is going grey." Her husband chirps in "At least there is nothing wrong with your eyes dear!"
Kev
seaham, - Wednesday, August 20, 2003 at 16:04:25 (PDT)
Miss Manners It is only when people become critical that changes are more likely to be made. Millions of dollars are poured into Civil Defense programs. Anecdotal tales of what happened could act as future reference. My friend has to use oxygen and has a help line in place, family, friends, neighbors, who know what to do in an emergency .As we live in an area that experiences brownouts/ power failure, in all seasons, we have learned to be prepared. We have flashlights in all rooms, bathrooms, basement, garage, front door, and back door. We have emergency supplies in the closet at the front door, sleeping, bags, water, food, first aid kit,and money for gas, in case we have to leave in a hurry. It is good advice, given to our community, in various ways. Schools switch to gas lighting if the power fails in the gym; other public buildings have the same system.Many have their own generators . It is likely that the Civil Defense, Red Cross, Volunteers, in your area responded to the situation ! quickly and efficiently. The media loves bad new stories, so that's what we hear. As the strain on public utilities increases , and old, outdated equipment isn't replaced more power outages can be expected. Just take a look around your house to see what is plugged into the power system. Every year new gadgets needing power appear in our homes; one example is the computer that is never turned off.We all have to become more responsible for our own well being. It amuses me that you address me in a derogatory fashion, yet consider yourself as Miss Manners.
Not Posh
- Wednesday, August 20, 2003 at 16:03:25 (PDT)
Calm Down Miss Manners. The power is back on. You said that you weren't prepared but will be in future. Why weren’t you prepared? It was the powers that be that minimized the blackout, not me. It’s been a given for years that the system would collapse under its own weight. They are the ones who insisted that the Ice Storm would teach us all a lesson. Some people learned the lesson, some did not. All the stories that you wrote about have happened before. Do you understand what irony means? That was what my post was, irony. I think that other posters read it as such. I apologize if I hurt your feelings.
Not Posh
- Wednesday, August 20, 2003 at 16:01:33 (PDT)
This is what I just read in the newspaper today.... I suspected this... Because it seemed suspicious why the power outages caused the "Domino" affect. I was wondering if the terrorists had got into our computer systems and "hacked" the codes or something... then I read this just this morning...read on......... Al-Qaida has claimed responsibility for the worst blackout in U.S. history which affected 50 million residents across the Northeast and Midwest as well as parts of southern Canada, according to the Arab newspaper Al-Hayat. So.. what do y'all think of that?...Comments anyone?
Jacqueline
- Tuesday, August 19, 2003 at 16:32:21 (PDT)
"Wise One" thank you for your kindness, I too, think you are a wonderful gentleman and you too deserve courtesy. Anyway, hope you are well. I am fine, I just spent 4 days in the South Padre Islands (Gulf of Mexico) It was beautiful - and the Hurrican Erica actually missed us and went on to Mexico. So, I am stil on vacation for a while longer. Anyway, enjy your contributions as always. Hopefully soon we will be able to "visit" and catch up... take care and God Bless.
Jacqueline
- Tuesday, August 19, 2003 at 16:31:33 (PDT)
My friend just e-mailed me this fun e-mail..... A man and his wife were having an argument about who should brew the coffee each morning. The wife said, "You should do it, because you get up first, and then we don't have to wait as long to get our coffee." The husband said, " You are in charge of the cooking around here and you should do it, because that is your job, and I can just wait for my coffee." Wife replies, "No you should do it, and besides it is in the Bible that the man should do the coffee." Husband replies, " I can't believe that, show me." So she fetched the Bible, and opened the New Testament and shows him at the top of several pages, that it indeed says "HE" "BREWS" (Hebrews)
Jacqueline
- Tuesday, August 19, 2003 at 16:30:37 (PDT)
To Not So Posh But Oh So Critical,no I Have not forgotten the great ice storm ,but please do not criticize or minimize the power outage.Fifty million people were affected by this and yes it was summer and not winter we can be grateful for that fact but try and tell the senior lady in my home town who was stuck in a elevator in the dark with no water no food and no wc for fifeteen hours.Our water pressure was all most none existent so people in highrises could not get any water at all and besides with no power the water filtration was not working so we could not drink it .Grocery stores had to throw out all meats, dairy products and perishables which the consumer will have to pay for in the long run.Households had to throw the ssme goods.People lost work as most companies cannot run without power and some still are closed .So people living from paycheck to paycheck now are going to be unable to meet the bills and they still have to replace any food that was ruined.O! ur homeless shelters and soup kitchens lost all their perishibles and now cannot feed the homeless or low income till they get more donations.Maybe you would like to tell all the peaple on waiting lists for life saving operations which were cancelled and who now have to go to the bottom of the list that it could be worse and they should not whine.How about people at home on ventalators and electric wheelchairs and even dialysis who could not charge their emergency backup batteries.Some people were without power for forty one hours or more and we still are having rolling blackouts as we are not up to full power yet. Your point about Iraqi people being without power for four months is not valid I am sure you have seen the news reports showing Iraqi people in their homes watching all the news and messages from Sudam on their tv's.The americans wouldn't bomb the power plants as they need them as much as the Iraqi's.The Iraqi people have my sympathy for what they are going thru ! .Also the people in Quebec got my sympathy and my donations at the tim e of their disaster I would never minimize anybody's problems no matter how big or how small.I am very lucky and this will not affect me too much but it could and will cause a lot of problems for a lot af people.
Miss Manners
Canada - Tuesday, August 19, 2003 at 16:29:35 (PDT)
dear miss almighty markie (lol i think that is funny) you say you are a catholic but in my eyes you are not as you go on about this and that been wrong well something wrong in your eyes is not always something wrong in other peoples eyes. you should accept someone for who they are not what they are but you dont. such a shame as you say you have gay friends and i wont like to think i was your friend and gay and see what you are saying about them behind their backs thats not a christian thing now is it. you should leave well alone when you dont know nothing about gay people there are good and bad in all creeds and colours and also gays in all creeds and colours. god accepts gays so do the christian thing and you accept them. that will then tell me if you are a true christian.
anon
- Tuesday, August 19, 2003 at 16:26:54 (PDT)
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patricia and Gottfried
germany - Monday, August 18, 2003 at 16:50:23 (PDT)
To the so-called Tony/Spain, Thank you for your kind remarks, at least we can agree on some things, it seems, I do not think it advisable for anyone to reveal personal details on a guestbook or on the WWW, but if you can make it anytime into the chatroom at about 10-30pm on a Friday, I will reveal myself to you(my name etc I mean) no offence Tony but I really think you should have a more courteous approach to Jacqueline,You don't have to agree with her, just treat her like the Lady that she undoubtably is.
Wise One
- Monday, August 18, 2003 at 16:49:14 (PDT)
Hi, We are looking for the parents of Frances Mary Anderson who married Thomas George Barnden in 1910. We think they where lost at sea but not sure. Looking on the census report we have found John Anderson aged 50 in 1901 living at 132 Henry street durham. Frances moved away from her home to kent before getting married. Sorry if this is a bit vague but we dont know of any other in information to be sure of. Doug
douglas <douglas.mcrae@ntlworld.com>
bracknell, berkshire england - Monday, August 18, 2003 at 16:48:27 (PDT)
Wise One: The possibility of derby games against Hartlepool may not be far-fetched. But who is responsible - I think Reid and Murray are the main culprits yet Murray is still there still ruining OUR football club. He's selling off players like Craddock and probably Reyna for prices so low we won't be able to buy anyone decent anyway. This policy on top of years of incompetence means we do not have the resources to compete in the First Division and we might just get relegated.
Mick's Mentor
- Monday, August 18, 2003 at 16:46:49 (PDT)
"Tony from Spain" "Wise One" is not afraid to reveal his own name, he uses his "Seaham G/B name" for protection. Only naive people, like you and I and a few others use our real names. "Not Posh" and "Wise One" have explained the reasons why we should not use our real names on the internet. For the most part I do not use my real name, but I thought it would be okay to use it on my home town G/B.......................... Anyway, "Greenfingers" I love leeks and leek soup. I actually make an excellent Potato, Cauliflower and Leek soup; but eating hot hearty soups is not what I need to eat at this time, maybe in a few months when the weather gets a little colder. By the way, hope you are all still enjoying your lovely weather back home.
Jacqueline
- Monday, August 18, 2003 at 16:46:07 (PDT)
: "Not Posh" you brought up some very valid and important pointers over the power outage in USA vs the Iraqi people who have had no power for months. I like what you said and agree with you! Also,... "Miss Manners" glad to hear you now have power, (Though we don't always agree with our comments.. I still enjoy reading your contributions - even if I do get cross with you at times. So I am glad your power is back on for to read your contributions.) I hope it does not happen again, at least not in the winter time, you and millions of other would have a disasterous time!....I was no where near the power outage.. as I am still on vacation.
Jacqueline
- Monday, August 18, 2003 at 16:44:59 (PDT)
Miss Manners How soon we forget.Don't you remember the Great Ice Storm 1998? Quebec, Ontario. We were all supposed to learn a lesson from that.It appears that we didn't.Hardest hit were the city of Montreal and rural communities on the south shore of the St. Lawrence River. Some of the South Shore communities went without electricity for MORE THAN A MONTH, thanks to the collapse not just of poles, but major hydro steel pylons as well. Much of metropolitan Montreal was also without power for nearly a week. So the latest Power Outage was very mild,it happened in the summer, not in winter.The Ice Storm should have destroyed our illusion of safety, but it didn't . Let's hope the one day power outage has shocked the 'powers that be' into action. It was the usual blame game from our southern neighbors.The nasty Canucks were to blame.Seems they were wrong again
Not Posh
- Monday, August 18, 2003 at 16:44:00 (PDT)
I have just returned from visiting 12 ports around The Med. These included Valletta, Napels, Livorno, Palma and Barcelona five of the largest on my visit. They were not only visited by cruise liners but were very busy industrial ports loading and unloading cargos of all shapes and sizes. Every port visited was protected by break waters and piers through which several ships a day entered and left the port. Just like our very own Seaham Harbour on a larger scale and then I realised it was nothing like what we have here at Seaham Harbour because there were small leisure boats and locals fishing from the break waters and piers. Why should the Owner of Seaham Harbour Dock Company have the right to deny us locals from enjoying what we have had for over a century - dont be fobbed off with "It New European Legislation " The residents of Seaham should back the campaign to regain access to the Harbour for anglers, boat owners, divers and walkers. Let us be like the res! t of Europe.
Val Robert <valerier_2000_uk@yhaoo.co.uk>
Seaham Harbour, Durham - Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 16:24:27 (PDT)
Micks Mentor, look on the bright side! at least next year Sunderland AFC will be playing "Derby" matches again, thats the good news! the bad news? it'll be against Hartlepools Utd.
Wise One
- Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 16:22:10 (PDT)
To Seahamites and Dalton Internet and all you G.B.Roudies: I said a prayer for you today and know God must have heard. I felt the answer in my heart although He spoke not a word. I did't ask for wealth or fame (I knew you would'nt mind) I asked for priceless treasures of a more lasting kind. I prayed that He'd be near you at the start of each new day, to grant you health and blessings fair and friends to share your way. I asked for happiness for you in all things great and small. But that you'd know His loving care I prayed the most of all.
Brian Greenfingers
- Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 16:21:18 (PDT)
Do's anyone like leek pudding-it's why I grow leeks?
Brian Greenfingers
- Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 16:20:14 (PDT)
Gene Robinson. My difficulty is not with the new bishop being gay, but rather with those who elected him. It troubles me that if he was born gay, that he married, fathered a child, didn't realize his mistake about his sexuality, fathered another child, had a male lover during his marriage, and then left the marriage to move in with the lover. I would appear that he is bisexual not gay. Surely those electing him to the one of the highest positions in the Church knew that. If they had been honest about his sexuality it would have been seen as a liberal movement for the Church. To me it is a sham, just a way to get noticed, cause disruption among the church members, all for the agenda of who knows whom. The truth is that a gay man wasn’t elected bishop; a bisexual man, given to breaking sacred vows (marriage vow), prone to having affairs within a marriage, became a bishop.
Not Posh
- Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 16:19:39 (PDT)
To the so called 'wise one' (why are you so afraid to reveal your name) well said in your contribition reference Niall Quinn I along with lots of other people I'am sure are unaware of his charitable work and donations. I totally agree with you regarding the honours system,and would like to see more people who tirelessly stand on zebra crossings,whatever the weather,to see the children safely across,the so called 'ordinary' people who visit the sick and the needy week in week out, year in year out without any thought for any kind of reward.What a nice surprise it would be for them to receive an invitation to visit the Palace to receive an honour, instead of awarding 'gongs' to people who have made millions singing and acting etc. etc..One of the longest messages I have ever posted,for which I apologise but I feel very strongly about this particular subject.
Tony from Spain
- Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 16:18:21 (PDT)
Well a lot of cities and towns in North America have just come thru a major power failure.Our power was off for 18 hours .Nowadays we just don't realize how vulnerable we are .My family has vowed to get a emergency kit together as we were not prepared for anything like this.We did not have batteries on hand for our portable radio so we did not know what was going on.Luckily we had lots of candles and a flashlight and camping lanterns.We had no way to keep our food cold and of course no air conditioning .One nice thing about all this is everyone was sitting on their porches and stoop's and were talking to each other and getting to know each other.Also with no street lights and other lights it was a perfect night to watch the stars and boy the sky was clear and it was such a great sight. Most of the us don't take the time to notice these things when we lock ourselves in our homes with our tv's and air conditioners.After 18 hours it was nice to see the power come on a! gain .Hopefully my family has learned a lesson about preparing for this type of thing as I am sure it will happen again in the near future many times .You could not get gas, get money fom the banks ,cell phones were down and home phones were down in some area's.We were lucky and were able to cook supper and breakfast on our gas barbecue.This power failure shut everything down and I mean everything.I didn't mean to write a markie entry but please everyone make sure you have some basic necessities stored in a place that is easy to get too as it could happen to you and I can only imagine what it would have been like if this was in our North American winter.
Miss Manners
Canada - Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 16:17:07 (PDT)
Power Outage I really feel sorry for those people suffering from the lack of power,no a/c, lack of water,in the terrible heat.What ? It happened in America ? For a day ? Not them , silly,the people of Iraq who have been with out power for 4 months. I'm sure that the people of Iraq are feeling sorry for what's happened in America. I wonder if the Americans feel sorry for the people of Iraq. Strange world we live in when a day's lack of power gets constant, and I mean constant, tv and radio play, when four months is barely worth a mention.
Not Posh
- Sunday, August 17, 2003 at 16:15:18 (PDT)
How long is the guest book going to continue to allow the political and religious rantings of the few to dominate this guestbook? Let them email each other or use one of the many chat rooms available on the world wide web. The guest book does not have to be a daily source for them. Such entries could be legitimately excluded when you read the purpose for which the guestbook was set up.
fed up but agree witg tonr
Sunderland ex Seaham, - Friday, August 15, 2003 at 14:08:58 (PDT)
"Authur Miggings" I love Politics - it is indeed fascintating. Though, I am what you call a somewhat "Liberal" Republican and a "Conservative" Democrat. I think this is why I sometimes contradict myself. Anyway, I hope none of our Geust Book readers are in New York, Toronta, Ottawa, Detroit, Michigan, Ohio parts of Northern New Jersey, and parts of Pennsylvania for yesterdays big power outage - those poor people! What a fiasco. Anyway, if any of our guest book contributors are in those states, or in Canada I hope you are hanging in okay and the power will be back soon. Take care...
Jacqueline
- Friday, August 15, 2003 at 14:07:20 (PDT)
Miss Almighty Markie believe me i know u r not perfect.So what if the bishop is a leader how many more leaders has this world had who r gay but they dont preach that being gay is right or wrong. Why cant u look at this bishop as to who he is instead of looking at him for what he is, his sexuality has no bearing on his capability of doing his job.The thing is with all homophobics is they cant and wont accept people for who they r and not for what they r. We would all like to live in a perfect world and have things our own way but unfortunatly we dont. You say u r a catholic well so am i and i was taught that one of the ten commandments was love thy neighbour. So Miss Almighty Markie do just that.
anon
- Friday, August 15, 2003 at 14:06:28 (PDT)
It’s a shame that blackouts in America are causing huge disruption to our friends across the pond, but God works in mysterious ways. At least it will keep MISS MARKIE off the guest book for a few days! PRAISE THE LORD!
john the pipers son
- Friday, August 15, 2003 at 14:05:26 (PDT)
"Miss Manners" you have made a very good point. I wish so much that the Pope would speak much more against the Priests who have sexually abused children - I do not know why he has not. Though, I don't thinkt he Pope is speaking against gays, I think he is saying it is wrong to have Gay people as leaders of the church; but in saying that, he needs also to look at our Catholic Church too.
Jacqueline
- Friday, August 15, 2003 at 14:04:11 (PDT)
To Wise One. I can't explain why I should be TOTALLY in agreement with a Mag but as far as the Honours system is concerned I do agree with you. Niall Quinn fully deserves his award. He is a a generous man and a good role model for a lot of young people and hopefully some of the so-called football stars. I didn't go to Kevin Ball's benefit game or any since because I think the whole set up is a sham. If the club thinks they deserve a bonus on retirement that's up to them. It is our money anyway that they would use and asking for more is rubbing salt into the wound, taking from the poor and giving to the rich, Robin Hood in reverse. But Quinney for manager - I think not. I don't think he would want it and it would be a waste of his undoubted talents as a human being. I think we need to give Mick a chance. He has one thing in his favour (and I have spoken to him) unlike some of our previous managers he is both intelligent and pragmatic. I think he will succeed if he listens to the collective wisdom of the fans before making the big decisions.
Mick's Mentor
Seaham, England - Friday, August 15, 2003 at 14:03:22 (PDT)
Hooray for Tony. Short and to the point as usual. Why write a book when a few words get the message across. If Markie was trapped on desert island she couldn’t find a bottle big enough.
Isaac
- Thursday, August 14, 2003 at 14:23:12 (PDT)
Not Posh, I was "winding you up" you should had just had a good laugh! anyway thank you most sincerely for the complimentary remarks
Wise One
- Thursday, August 14, 2003 at 14:21:57 (PDT)
To "Anon" I am glad you are proud of your son and love your son. You have done the right Christian thing and continued to love and accept your son - unconditional love. I am not "Miss Almighty" at all! I am far from being perfect. I disagree with you about the elect Bishop Gene Robinson. I think as he is a leader, he is suppose to be an example and thus far, he is not being a good example to not only the Christian faith, but to all Religions. I think he is going to be a huge influence to our youth and that is not something I am content about. I wish he would do the right thing and realize his attraction and physical contact with his partner is conflicting with his religious morals and principles; and he should take a step down. Anyone who loves God and who knows they are doing something that goes against God's teachings, (like being involved with the same sex,)should take a step down from leadership.
Jacqueline
- Thursday, August 14, 2003 at 14:21:11 (PDT)
I have always believed that the so-called "Honours system" in this Country should be abolished, as usually honours are awarded to the People making the most money anyway, and as Political favors, to grovelling Politicians and the like! but to Mick's Mentor, I would say that I make an exception with regard to a ex Black Cats Striker! Former Sunderland striker Niall Quinn is to receive an honorary MBE. The award is being made by the Queen in recognition of Quinn's "outstanding services to international football and his contributions to UK charities". now Niall puts a lot of Folk to shame by his tireless work for Charity and gave away the proceeds of his benefit match to Hospitals in Sunderland and Dublin, over one million pounds sterling, a magnificent gesture which is to be applauded. If I as a Magpies Fan can congratulate Niall, I'm sure Mick's Mentor will join me! You'll find M's M that you'll get a lot more satisfaction in congratulating Niall than forlornly praying for "devine intervention" to hopeless lost causes. perhaps you should try St Jude? Oh and while I'm on the subject, Why not Niall Quinn for Black Cats Manager?
Wise One
- Thursday, August 14, 2003 at 14:19:31 (PDT)
jackie your so against gays you dont know wot ur talking about,ok yeah u know gays but you are against them having children..get a life
jon <johnsymes2002@hotmail.com>
seaham, - Thursday, August 14, 2003 at 14:17:05 (PDT)
Not Posh, the answer lies in the soil my boy. I was comming out of the house last winter and the snow was right up to my water barrel. It's the snow that warms the soil so stick your finger in it now. Waching for aphids and weevils ofcourse, you may use permanganate of potash. Try growing parsnips-yes?
Brian Greenfingers
- Thursday, August 14, 2003 at 14:15:42 (PDT)
I do not know anyone who is gay and to be honest I am not for gay marriage's.I havn't made up my mind about gay men or women of the clergy yet.One thing I don't agree with is the Pope speaking out against these people .This is really something between two consenting adults.The Pope has stood by saying nothing about what many priests have been doing to innocent children for years.I would like the church to deal with all of these men of the cloth and take a stand to rid the church of these monsters instead of covering up for these perpetrator's of innocent children.he should clean his own house before denouncing consenting adults
Miss Manners
Canada - Thursday, August 14, 2003 at 14:14:23 (PDT)
Dear Miss Markie may I give you the golden rant award for the most long winded nonsensical rambling I have ever come across. You should be in politics.
Arthur Migging
The pontification society, - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 16:22:14 (PDT)
To Mike Harrison..Try Service Pals .com that's the last time I saw his name,I was at R.A.F. Acklington with Nigel 61/62 we had some great times to-gether,he originated from Parkside if I remember correctly. Good Luck
Tony from Spain
- Monday, August 11, 2003 at 16:21:04 (PDT)
Kyle H Hope, I detest blood Sports such as you follow, the use of hunting Dogs to pursue, torture and kill animals, be they large or small is a terrible pastime! shame on you and others for these inhuman acts of savagery. Hopefully at least the hunting of Foxes etc in this Country is to be banned.
Wise One
- Monday, August 11, 2003 at 16:20:22 (PDT)
To the so called 'wise one' I think you are the one who must go to bed and wake up thinking about Markie because the pair of you vitually dominate the G.B.why don't you just correspond with each other via e.m.and save us all from your 'unwise'contributions and transatlantic bible thumping dribble.
Tony from Spain
Espana, - Monday, August 11, 2003 at 16:19:39 (PDT)
Help me Brian Greenfingers I planted a fine crop of carrots... but they are turning into store bought... growing in bunches. My folks will be home soon, expecting a vegetable garden, spuds seem O.K. , but the carrots are a disaster. What should I do?
Not Posh
- Monday, August 11, 2003 at 16:18:34 (PDT)
Lol Wise One. I haven't noticed Butterfly agreeing with me, complimenting me on my stance, whatever. However, I have complimented you on your insight and knowledge, also I've complimented Butterfly, Jacqueline, Miss Manners, etc. Why not appreciate people? My mind isn't closed. It can be changed. Knowledge from others, you included, can only enhance my life. If I fail to learn from others, do not accept their view of the world, consider only certain aspects of life, then my whole existence has been a waste. None of us are tied to the dictum of others, we all have choices. I happened to understand the philosophy of Butterfly, but I'm sure that he would agree that we aren't soul mates. We all need others in order to make sense of our world. No one person can rightly claim that their way is the best way. Tom makes a positive claim to his life stance, it is not mine, but who am I to say that it is right or wrong? I don’t dismiss a person’s view of life , I just wonde! r why that is their view. If you want to be a "back slapper"I don't think that anyone would object, why should they? Your opinions are as good as anyone elses,perhaps better, but until you reveal them how would anyone know? Mind reading isn't one of my very few skills, but I'm a ready listener.
Not Posh
- Monday, August 11, 2003 at 16:17:53 (PDT)
"Wise One" Thank you, as always for your kind comments to my postings. I too, often wonder why it is that "Tony from Spain" always has to shout his mouth off at me. Mind you, I wait with a held breath for the "comebacks" I will get for my 3 relatively long opinions and responses I have given. Anyway, hope you are well and are enjoying that "Texas" heat you are getting back home; now you see why I enjoy hot, sunny weather - it puts you in a good, pleasant disposition. Anyway, I am off for a few days, as I am preparing to leave Florida. I have been vacationing with a super family and working at the Homeless Clinic. I now have a deeper understanding for our poor and a much higher appreciation for "Socialized" Health Care we have back home. As much as I am stong supporter for the Republicans, I cannot help but wonder if Richard Gephardt (Democrat) will do well as a President - one of his goals, if he makes President in 2004, is to try to socialize medicare here in USA.! I hope that will be acomplished as Hilary Clinton did try back in 1993 but failed miserably. I was at his fund raising cocktail and dinner last June in Austin,and heard him speak and was able to catch a few minutes personal talk with him. He seems like a genuine man, but again, my philosophy is that all Politicians have an agenda of their own. Anyway, I must be off for now... again, I hold my breath tight for whatever responses I am given. But remember, this is Jacqueline - the tough cookie! who will always have an answer for you - wheather it is a response or an apology...Anyway... God Bless everyone and take care -enjoy the beautiful summer you all have.
Jacqueline
- Monday, August 11, 2003 at 16:16:21 (PDT)
MISS ALMIGHTY MARKIE if u dont understand this GAY thing well why not ask ur friend who is gay to explain it to u. how can u have a friend who is gay and u making all these comments as to how it is wrong. also a gay man is only attracted to a man not a women if that was so he would be bi sexual. so with all ur comments on how wrong it is to be gay is not telling everyone u r homophobic. the thing is gays are born gay and cannot help the way they r as u cant help the way u r. i am the mother of a gay man and he is normal to everyone he meets but then again his sexuality has nothing to do with them. i am very proud of my son as he dont preach that his sexuality is right or wrong to him its just normal and to me it is also. the thing is also that u have ur choice in life so leave all others to have theirs. now onto the gay bishop well as i said in last posting he wouldnt stand in the pulpit preaching that been gay is right now would he but i see it u r preaching th! at it is wrong and on this guestbook which has a better congragation than any church call ur self a christian ppfffff
anon <lildamouk@yahoo.co.uk>
- Monday, August 11, 2003 at 16:14:38 (PDT)
To "Debs" I will quote you - "Stop butting in on other people's lives and concentrate on your own life." Lets see - Why is it that we have to concentrate on our own lives? Isn't that a little selfish? Over these past 16 years, the encounters I have had with people, have touched my life in a very beautiful, postive, enlightening and refreshing way; even with those whom the experience may not haev been the best, they too, have always made some positive impact upon my life. I, inturn, have touched literally hundreds of people's lives in positive and beautiful ways: The sick, the dying, the homeless, the elderly, and the young, those who feel life is hopeless and those who embrace every moment of their lives with flair and finess. I have touched the lives of the very rich and the poorest of the poor (Yes, even here in America where it is one of the wealthiest countries in the world.) I do not need to concentrate on my own life, for I leave that up to God and in his ha! nds. I have free-will, like we all do, and make mistakes as wel all do and have in life. I am far from human error - I live my life according to what is right for me. I never go through a day without a smile to another, without thanking God and without ever being appreciative for all that I have. I am my own unique individual, self sufficent and confident young woman who is not afraid to speak up on issues that compromise the values I believe in and try to live by. This may well be the 21st Century, and those who try to live the standards of the "Holy Book" may well be "mocked" but, it also shows courage and integrity for one to stick by his/hers beliefs. .......... I am sorry you thought I was "inhumane" by my response I had made to your message that was signed by you and not your mum. Even though I had apologized for my mitake of misreading your message that was posted right above the misunderstanding I had posted. In all my life, I have never been accused of being "Inhu! mane." An inhumane person is a cold and calous individual - that is so mething I am not. I enjoy all people, and certainly embrace my life and my faith to the best of my ability. If I upset people on this G/B it is never intentional and I always offer an apology. lets face it we all use this G/B for fun and because our lives must not be that busy. Also, not one of us really and truly know any "one" of us on this G/B therefore, including myself, not one of us, have any reason to accuse another of being "inhumane" that is a discredit to the character of the one name calling the other. Have a very beautiful day/evening everyone and God Bless.. your Guest Book friend Jacqueline
Jacqueline
- Sunday, August 10, 2003 at 17:19:31 (PDT)
Not Posh and Butterfly, you appear to have started a mutual sort of "back-slapping" appreciation Society with the pair of you as founder Members. Can anyone join?
Wise One
- Sunday, August 10, 2003 at 17:16:37 (PDT)
Hello! I'm trying to locate NIGEL CORRIGAN who left Seaham around 1970 after his stint in the R.A.F. He went abroad and worked for Bristows Helicopters, I think in New Guinea, but not sure. Anyone any clues? Mick
mike harrison <caroleandmike@shaw.ca>
coquitlam, british columbia canada - Sunday, August 10, 2003 at 17:15:57 (PDT)
When I was a child,I thought as a child and behaved as one in speach and feelings. Now i'm older, I have finished with childish thoughts and feelings.What we see now is like a dim image in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. What I know now is onley partial; then it will be complete-as complete as God's knowledge of me. Meanwhile, these three remain: faith, hope and love; and the greatest of these is LOVE.
Brian Greenfingers
- Sunday, August 10, 2003 at 17:14:06 (PDT)
So Tony from Spain, whats with this obsession you have with Jacqueline? You must go to bed and wake up thinking of our Dear Jacqueline, whom, as you no doubt agree makes many valid, interesting points in her narratives. and also you seem to like and fancy an NTJ? is that an old Girlfriend? anyway do have a nice day down there on the plain in Spain. Its a good place for you to be.
Wise One
- Sunday, August 10, 2003 at 17:13:08 (PDT)
To Colin (I'll be off) Hall I wrote a long email to you a few days ago, which appears to have been "lost in space" but to be brief this time, I would say, You have had to eat your words many times on this and other Guestbooks, you may have to again soon. Myself I look forward to the W.C Rugby Finals and may the best team win! I look forward also to congratulating the Victors, will you?
Wise One
- Sunday, August 10, 2003 at 17:12:20 (PDT)
"Wise One"..... Thank you for agreeing with me. I am not going to just stop going to church because of this new way of gays being leaders in our churches, going against all Biblical standards. I cannot stand it, it is very annoying how 'they' the gays are on a roll for gay rights - this is only a milestone for what they intend and it is sickening! They are determined to try to influence society to thinking being homosexual is okay - it is not okay at all! Like I have said before, what was morally wrong is now considered right and what was morally right is now considered wrong. Again, because no one is willing to stand up and speak out for the right principles in life (as Debs said, "Concentrate on your own life and stop butting in on others") People are just letting an "anything goes" attitude just because they do not want to speak up for what is right and why? Because they want to follow the crowd and be in denial of our society which is in an extreme moral crisis! . Well.. I for one, am not afraid to speak up on every issue that violates my beliefs. Should everyone just burry their head in the sand? Nope! I am sorry, I do not, not all the time, I don't and I won't.
Jacqueline
- Sunday, August 10, 2003 at 17:11:27 (PDT)
I hope this gets posted! Please!! ........ "Well, tut tut, I guess I am getting a lot of flack. A lot of flack for what? because I stand up, and speak up for what I believe in. I am not afraid to debate, even if it means I am on the losing team. I am a good sport and enjoy a good debate. If more people would take an interest in our world, and speak out, our world would not be in such a big immoral mess! As for Debs, my comment to you was not inhumane - I have never heard of such an "aggressive" repsonse back to my apology for misreading your mom's message. I explained that I had misread the posting, and put it down to the fact it was only 5.30am and I still needed to wake up and that I had not paid attention to detail. My life is very well and I concentrate on it a little too much at times............ Also, Victoria, on September 11th 2001 the day the WTC was attacked, later that same day, in Chicago, Muslim children and adults were cheering in their neighborhoods! , waving their flag and buring our American flag.(yet, they live in our country and are given all the freedom and benefits as we American are given.) The day the shuttle Columbia exploded, this past Feburary, it was in London where the Muslims in the Mosque were cheering and saying it was "our punishment from God" (referring to the Americans)A friend of mine studies in London, who is American and has had some terrible rude and rascist experiences from the Muslims communties in London. I am more than sure not all Muslims are radical and hateful people, but for "us" Americans (Christian Americans) we experience their rascist behavior often. You are not an American, you do not live in America, therefore, you have a very different concept of the Muslim communities. As for "Miss Manners" I am not a fashion fad at all. I follow my own reserved fashions from "Talbots" "Lord and Taylor" and "Ann Taylor." I have never been a follower of fashion, ask anyone who knows me and they will! confirm that. I just think when people go to church they should have more respect and show some reverency to God. It is up to the parents to be teaching children this level of respect. I am now finished with my comments. Thank you all and have a nice day
Jacqueline
- Sunday, August 10, 2003 at 17:10:07 (PDT)
Hello, came across your website. My Grandfather John ( Jack ) William Hope, Ran Whippets in Dawdon Before WW1. Grandad was born Aug. 06/1893. He had several brothers one of wich was George who was a Club fighter in the North East. When My Grandad came to Canada after the war he Brought with him a pair of Whippets off which he raised a couple of litters of pups. I continue our families love of hunting dogs , as I own and raise Redbone Hounds wich I persue Big Game animals with. I wish You fellow hound enthusiasts the best of luck. Keep up the Great Work, Sincerely
Kyle H Hope
Cranbrook B.C. , Canada - Sunday, August 10, 2003 at 17:08:00 (PDT)
Ti "Iain Davison" if you happen to ever look over this "goofy" guest book, please just roll your eyes at my comments! Anyway, wanted to wish you a very "Happy Birthday" today.(August 9th) Hope you are well. Not sure if you had to go to Iraq, or if you are there or back or what, but hope you are staying safe and happy. Kind Wishes, .... Jacqueline.
Jacqueline
- Saturday, August 09, 2003 at 16:46:08 (PDT)
To 'sick of skipping past Markie' Well said .. Unfortunately there are a lot of us who feel the same as yourself,hence the lack of contributions to the G.B.from the people who used to have a lot of fun and complied with the header of the G.B. Someone suggested that her entries should be restricted, that has being said many times in the past, as has 'just ignore her' and she will go away, no way will she go away,we just have to carry on like most ex. contribitors do and 'skip' past her political and Bible thumping clap trap. Nice to see you are still alive and kicking N.T.J. it would be good to see a few nostalgic comments from T.J.. Have a nice day you all..
Tony From Spain
Espana, - Saturday, August 09, 2003 at 16:45:20 (PDT)
Micks Mentor, Tried without success to get "Devine intervention" to assist the Black Cats in their first game of the Season! Was told Miracles are easy, but the impossible is not, however I was told he could build a 4 Lane motorway to Sydney Australia a canny bit easier.
Wise One
- Saturday, August 09, 2003 at 16:43:32 (PDT)
Tom Moreland, I know you and I have had our disagreements in the past, but I have more than a grudging admiration for you and a lot of your views, your letter on the Gay Bishop/and Gays in society is first class! One small criticism, Jacqueline is right in continuing going to Church to worship our Lord! make no mistake about that, but I share your concern at the way our Church is going, I think the answer is not for us to forsake the Church, but for the Gays aand Lesbians etc to leave our holy Church and form their own Gay/Lesbian Church aand not to try to take over ours! We live in a "politically Correct" society where People have the freedom to follow their unnatural, unhealthy and to me disgusting practices. That same freedom works both ways, as I do not have to associate knowingly with any of them. as far as I am aware none of my Family, Friends or associates are gay, What they practice is against God, nature and to me common decency. God in the Bible sta! tes that a Man should not lie with another Man as he does with a Wo
Wise One
- Saturday, August 09, 2003 at 16:42:22 (PDT)
I have grown a fine crop of runner beans this year. Who can beat that?
Brian Greenfingers
- Saturday, August 09, 2003 at 16:41:01 (PDT)
Butterfly. Very well said.Your insight is appreciated,and I admire your view of the world. A philosophy we can all follow.
Not Posh
- Saturday, August 09, 2003 at 16:40:24 (PDT)
"Joanne Curtis" You made a good point. I like it! Perhaps I have come across as too judgemental on what people wear for church, but what I see just blows me away... Anyway, point well taken.
Jacqueline
- Saturday, August 09, 2003 at 16:38:34 (PDT)
Who are all these people speaking up on my behalf? I hope I am not being "mocked" at and made fun of.... Oh well.. if I am, it is nothing unusual. Anyway, thanks Marie, I hope you are well. Our Sharon tells me you are doing well.
Jacqueline
- Saturday, August 09, 2003 at 16:37:57 (PDT)
Jackie found your email to this web site a bt inhumane as it was my mum who sent the message and not me!!!!I know I can ask certain people who you refer to but she wanted to know if any other members of our familly were watching in on this web site. Jackie I've told you before as many others have done so before me STOP BUTTING IN ON OTHER PEOPLES LIVES AND CONCENTRATE ON YOUR OWN!!!!!!!
debs
- Saturday, August 09, 2003 at 16:37:18 (PDT)
Reading Anon’s comments with regard to ‘If God did not want him there he would have given him another job’, reminded me of an old chestnut of a religious joke. A Rabbi, Priest, and Vicar were talking at a worldwide religion conference. The conversation turned as to how each divided up the offertory money collected from the congregation. The priest said that he drew a circle on the floor then, standing in the middle of the circle, he threw all the collection money into the air. All the money that landed outside the circle belonged to God, and he kept the rest for his personal needs. The Vicar commented that he also stood in the middle of a circle he had drawn on the floor, but the money left inside the circle belonged to God, and the money outside he used for his own personal use. The Rabbi agreed that he followed the same basic rules but when he threw the money in the air, he told God to keep whatever he needed. TOM
Tom Moreland <dadmoreland1@aol.com>
London, - Saturday, August 09, 2003 at 16:36:24 (PDT)
To Bob Thompson, I'll pass your name on to Norman Beer. I think at the present time there are 25 names down.
Sadie Mason
Seaham, Durham UK - Friday, August 08, 2003 at 14:55:57 (PDT)
I've noticed that one or two of the guests here have very narrow interests. All they seem to talk about is religion and "morality" and I find that boring. But on this occasion I would like to suggest something useful they can do instead of just spouting off at us. Tomorrow, Saturday 9th August 2003 is a big day for me and many thousands of other good souls who give of our best to support a small group of people who have not been endowed with either a lot of talent or a lot of luck. Tomorrow they must start living in the abyss which they fell into some three months ago and from which there may be no return. We ask our religious friends on this Guestbook to pray for them for you may have more influence than we have. Pray hard for the Black Cats as they take on Nottingham Forest in the First Division tomorrow. They may not be a deserving cause but they are certainly a needy one. Thank you.
Mick's Mentor
Seaham, England - Friday, August 08, 2003 at 14:54:06 (PDT)
Dear long term Seaham resident. I hope you're happy and well. It was once well kown that the moon was made of cheese. I really don't believe that most Muslims want shot of most Christians, and I do think it's a nasty thing to write. Over and out.
Victoria McCabe <drvmccabe@aol.com>
- Friday, August 08, 2003 at 14:53:00 (PDT)
TWO MORE FOR THE REUNION DAVY PARKS AND MYSELF WE WERE AT THE LAST ONE AND ENJOYED MEETING OLD FRIENDS
BOB THOMPSON <BOB1559@AOL.COM>
SUNDERLAND, TYNE AND WEAR - Friday, August 08, 2003 at 14:52:03 (PDT)
"Tom Morland" despite the recent crisis in all church denominations what with gays, Catholic Priests and their sexual misconduct and with 'this and that' I still like going to Church each day if I am able and especially each week. I am comfortable in with Roman Catholic denomination and the C of E denomination and somewhat in the Methodist and Lutheran, I have always attended Church and that is just who I am. I am far from perfect as anyone who knows me can tell you that, but I really enjoy going to church. That is my time with God, Jesus and our Blessed Mother. I have my time with them at home in quiet prayer but I also like going to church, besides receiving Communion is also important to me, because it is right for me. If I stopped going to church because of the catholic Priests or gays, then a piece of my life would be missing. I happen to enjoy going to church and that is that and I am not changing!
Jacqueline
- Friday, August 08, 2003 at 14:49:33 (PDT)
To "ANON" I am NOT a Homophobic at all. How can I be if I have a friend who is male and is gay.. I was actually just out to dinner with his parents last evening. I am just straight and very attracted to men, espeically men who are tall and just really cute. Therefore, I just do not understand this "gay" thing. I also think it is so wrong and immoral and that is that! I am not waffling back and forth on this issue. I mean, how in God's name can a man be sexually attracted to another man and the same for women? I think it is just gross! And not the natural normal way - it is just not and that's it! Also, I know that the Bishop, Gene Robinson will not be preaching gays stuff at the pupit, but the message he is sending is that it is okay to be gay. Well, I suppose, but really it is not normal okay to be gay at all. it is just odd and that is that! Well.. I just have very strong views on this gay thing, I have let it be known enough and now no more said. I am not going ! to waffle on this topic. So you, "Anon" whomever! Why don't you just have a "NICE DAY!"
Jacqueline
- Friday, August 08, 2003 at 14:47:06 (PDT)
Deborah, I misread your posting - sorry. I see that you are trying to trace anyone who is connected to the Cardy family. Whoops! Sorry, my mistake - will put it down to not paying attention to details - It is 5.30am and I need to go run to be fully awake!
Jacqueline
- Friday, August 08, 2003 at 14:45:35 (PDT)
"Debs" I am asumming you are Deborah Macdonald, how are you? Anyway..; why don't you just ask your Graham as he is a "Cardy" Also you can go to google.com and type "cardy of Seaham" or words to that effect and see what comes up. Hope you are well. Talk to you later I am sure.
Jacqueline
- Friday, August 08, 2003 at 14:44:57 (PDT)
Jacqueline:- In my opinion, it is a tad unfair to pass comment on the dress sense of other people. I understand that it may seem sometimes that people don't make the effort to dress accordingly and I presume that is what you are meaning. However, many a time, I have gone to church wearing my very own baggy jeans (tut, tut!). I draw the line at the short skirts as I fear I may frighten a few folk! One thing to remember is that the Lord will love you whatever you wear....you came into this world naked and you will leave this world naked. Whatever you choose to wear in the meantime is your own personal choice!
Joanne Curtis <joanne.curtis@talk21.com>
Sunny Seaham, Co Durham - Friday, August 08, 2003 at 14:44:15 (PDT)
I must concur with the earlier comment regarding the evangelists - perhaps if Ms Markie and her ilk were ignored, they might go away and leave the guestbook for those of us who want to raise sensible topics, find old friends and retain some contact with the town
Seaham Expatriate
- Friday, August 08, 2003 at 14:42:43 (PDT)
I think gay bishops are great. The more openly gay men, the more women for us real men. FANTASTIC
Freddie Tucker
- Friday, August 08, 2003 at 14:41:52 (PDT)
Catholic? Anglican? Jew? Muslim? Sikh? Hindu? Buddist? Rastafarian? Druid? or other? all the religions of the world (with the exception of satanism, which worships evil), have good teachings. It is the fanatics in each religion which takes the meanings of their holy book & fit the words to whatever suits them that are the problem. Most religions want their followers to be good & to better themselves, so if there could just be a better understanding of each other & realise that whatever religion you belong to, most of us try to achieve the same goal. I see God not as a person, but as a lifeforce, which has given life to every individual on this planet & probably to many other planets in the universe. God is not exclusive to us on Earth, but to the entire universe, which makes our little squabbles about our religions here on earth rather insignificant. Wouldn't earth be a much better place if all the religions joined together to worship the 'Lifeforce' instead! of one (or Many gods)? Life is a wonderful thing, the earth & the universe are spectacular, enjoy it & live to the best of your ability, that's the most anyone can ask.
Butterfly Stomach
- Friday, August 08, 2003 at 14:41:17 (PDT)
Okay, people "Miss Manners" Well, I guess I just have a knack of "putting my foot in my mouth" Yikes! Oh well.... What can I say? Whoops! Sorry! Have a nice day! :)
Jacqueline
- Friday, August 08, 2003 at 14:39:39 (PDT)
I like many other have become bored with the comments on the guest book. But perhaps it is our fault for allowing them to take over. If all of us old guestbookers start submitting again perhaps they will get sick of us too. Sorry about that folks but here's the reason I signed on. Does anyone remember the name of the shop in Church St. which was there before Maxwells. I know the bakers was called Nicolsons but what was next door?
Sal
Seaham, - Thursday, August 07, 2003 at 17:29:40 (PDT)
Victoria, Is Timothy any relation to our very own Joe?Who has rejoined us recently from his jaunt dahhn saaath?? p.s dont trust the christians,way too dodgy!!!!!they rarely turn out to be what you thought they were,details later,maybees!
perre spective
- Thursday, August 07, 2003 at 17:25:08 (PDT)
It is said that every misguided person will speak sensibly at sometime in his or her life; it is just a matter of giving them enough time. The words Jacqueline spoke about Gene Robinson could not be truer, has any one heard of ‘Sodom all Tamora’. God let his feelings be known then, and left a pillar of salt to prove his point. It is a pity that Jacqueline partly condones what the American Anglican’s are doing by still going to church like a sheep. All true Christians who believe that these people are an effrontery to Christian beliefs should vote with their feet. Let the leaders of the church see how many of their flock do not believe in their warped sense of decency. Let them fill their churches with their perverted friends, and see how much money they get on their offertory plates. I am a believer in live and let live, but not when they try and force me to join in. Not all people are destined to live again, and these are just some of a variety of weeds in the cor! nfield that will be thrown into the fire of the threshing room floor. It is getting to a point that if you a heterosexual, you are classified as being a weirdo. My apologies if I have upset anyone, but this is my point of view. TOM
Tom Moreland <dadmoreland1@aol.com>
London, - Thursday, August 07, 2003 at 17:24:19 (PDT)
Hello Victoria and Jacqueline, I know you both very well from school. I have been a long time reader of this guest book and I think this is a very good place to have debates over religious and political issues, as we can all learn something from each other. I certainly learn a lot from Jacqueline - she is not all that bad you know. I think you have a cheek to say this is not the right place to discuss issues of religion and politics as you have done your share of discussing! And it was unfair of you to say that just because Jacqueline makes a remark (that there is some truth to it) you then say she is rascist, nasty and unchristian. I have known Jacqueline since she was three when she went to live with her parents, Jacqueline is not in the least Unchristian. She speaks her mind and says what she thinks, she makes mistakes,like us all. But she is very kind and thoughtful and always has the interest of others first. I don't know why everyone likes to get at Jacquelin! e. I wish I could be as strong as she has and had the courage and determination she has. I respect her more for her courage to be honest and forthright, than for her not to speak hr mind at all. Victoria your phd does not mean a thing, because you don't use it well, you just like to put people down. I am friends with Jacqueline parents and Jacqueline and I love to read all her comments, they are great she is not a bit scared to speak what she thinks or to take the humility when she is wrong, and that is what this guest book needs more of. Sorry Victoria but some of us need to be on Jackie's side.
Marie
Seaham, - Thursday, August 07, 2003 at 17:22:23 (PDT)
Why do you not open a separate guestbook for markie etc - it is really annoying skipping past those entries to look for genuine ones. This is really putting people off logging on.
Sick of skipping past markie
- Thursday, August 07, 2003 at 17:20:37 (PDT)
Jacqueline My reference to bible smart was not a direct reference to you. Sorry if you thought that it was. Can you explain to me why teaching the Bible, knowing the Bible” inside and out” is a good thing? The bible IS made up of stories. Some of them have a good ending; some of them have a bad ending. No matter how many passages from the Bible your Protestant friends can recite they show a real lack of understanding of their Faith. They give quotes when they are unable to give their own answers to a question, concerning their Faith. Quoting the Bible, as some folk do ,is a memory trick. After all we can teach dogs tricks with the promise of a reward. It’s the message that counts, not the medium (the Bible). If they think otherwise all the Bible reading, Bible memorization, has been for naught. Marshall McLuhan said that the medium has become the message. Nowhere is this more evident than in people who quote the Bible, but who are unable to give, or understand the message. Thumping ones self over the head, thumping others over the head with the Bible, has never, and will never, transfer the message. It always amazes me when those who believe in Jesus say, “He was a good man”. “He led a good life”. They simply haven’t got the message. The Catholic Church hasn’t done a poor job of teaching the Bible. Neither has the Church of England. Teaching the Bible was never the intent of either Church. Teaching the Faith, was, and is, the intent of both Churches. They have both done an excellent job, their members have no need to use the Bible as a crutch. They understand their Faith, and quietly live it.
Not Posh
- Thursday, August 07, 2003 at 17:19:55 (PDT)
Victoria, Jacqueline's comment was not nasty, racist or unchristian - it was her opinion and it was a fact. So does that mean everytime someone makes an opinion and states a fact, they are being nasty, racist and unchristian? It is well known the goal of most Muslims is to "rid the Christians" They see the Christians as the infidels - and that is not a racist, or nast or Unchristian comment. Your comment to Jacqueline was unfair and nasty. You have to realise, as it seems by your previous opinions on this G/B that you are much more liberal than Jacqueline is, she is conservative - though I have seen some decent liberal views that she can see (good for you Jacqueline) You and she do not see "eye-to-eye" on a lot of things; but she does not accuse you of being racist, nasty or unchristian - does she? Now who is the better Christian, Victoria.
a long time Seaham Resident
- Thursday, August 07, 2003 at 17:18:12 (PDT)
Markie in one breath you complain that no one goes to church anymore and in the next you complain about the one's who do.Times change people don't feel they are on a date with god (I don't believe that one)they are there to worship I happen to think that if these young people are in church thats are a miracle.Not everyone has the money to be a fashion maven like you my dear .I think again you have put your foot in your mouth.Why don't you just for once show that christian side of you that you are always bragging about but can never make us believe.
Miss Manners
- Thursday, August 07, 2003 at 17:16:49 (PDT)
Howdy Vic - long time no speak.
NTJ
- Thursday, August 07, 2003 at 17:15:55 (PDT)
"victoria" I do not see it as racist, nasty and unChristian - It is a well known fact - Muslims do see Christians as the infidels - as least here in USA.
Jacqueline
- Thursday, August 07, 2003 at 17:15:27 (PDT)
Trying to trace anyone who is connected with the Cardy family from Seaham. Would love anyone who knew any Cardy to get in touch.Debs
debbie
seaham, - Thursday, August 07, 2003 at 17:14:53 (PDT)
dear miss markie i have just read ur posting about gay bishops well all i can say is u r a homophobic do u really think that a gay bishop will stand in the pulpit and preach to everyone that being gay is right NO I DONT THINK SO whether it is right or not he will be up there in the pulpit preaching the word of god and if god didnt want him there then i am sure he would have given him another job there r so many ppl just like u who dont live life as it comes but do so through the holy book but dont forget that was written so many hundreds of years ago and we now live in the 21st century oh and miss markie HAVE A GOOD DAY
anon <lildamouk@ahoo.co.uk>
Seaham, - Thursday, August 07, 2003 at 17:14:04 (PDT)
I hadn't looked at the guestbook for a while, as it seems fewer and fewer people are contributing, hopefully people are out enjoying the sun. I don't think that this guestbook is the right place to discuss politics and religion at length. Many former guestbook contibutors complain about this. However, now to contradict myself completely and respond to Jacqueline's comment that Muslims see us as infidels. That comment is rascist, nasty and unChristian. A minority of Muslims have issues with the West, but most of the Muslims I know would rightly be offended by the ignorance you show about their faith, and the fact that you're labelling them as all the same. Timothy McVeigh was a right wing Christian fundamentalist, and a terrorist. Should I be wary of all Christians now?
Victoria McCabe <drvmccabe@aol.com>
- Wednesday, August 06, 2003 at 16:21:43 (PDT)
This evening, the American Episcopal Church (Anglican) have voted 'yes' to Gene Robinson being Ordained as the first openly gay Bishop in the Episcopal Church. I am sure they voted "yes" because of the many gays who are already in the church and of the many gays who are within the Catholic Church. They no longer want it to be a secret, so it is now all in the open. Those of you on this G/B who are practicing Anglican what do you think of this? This openly gay Bishop can now preach against the Biblical standards of a sacred "love" meant only between a "man and a woman." Do you know what I think? I think this is showing that Christianity is falling through the pipes! Satan is laughing all the way... It is another huge sign of the times... I am tired of the Catholics and all their protecting of Priests of their sexual misconduct; and I am now tired of the Church of England Church and the American Episcopal church - and the Methodists here in USA accept gay marriages, ! the Lutherans, I think are doing the same thing... No wonder the Baptists here in USA think all Catholics (and now all C of E and Episcopals) are going to hell. No wonder the extreme Muslims think we (christians) are the infidels - look at what we are doing? We do not teach our children to respect the Bible or even Church. I get tired of seeing the teenagers ( girls and boys) going to church in baggy trousers hanging down their bottoms, and the girls are wearing short dresses and tight jeans or shorts, and their hair is still wet from being in the shower. I get tired of seeing parents in church wearing any old pair of jeans and sweatshirt. People, who you go out on a date, we dress nicely, or when we go to the theater, or to a concert, we always dress nice. So why not when we go to church? - after all, it is a "date" with God. Well, despite the issues in the Catholic Church, and now the issues in the Episcopal Church, I will still attend both denominations. I am a practicin! g Roman Catholic by blood heritage and always a C of E by which I was raised.
Jacqueline
- Wednesday, August 06, 2003 at 16:20:20 (PDT)
"Not Posh" I never said I was Bible smart. I was baptized into the Irish Roman Catholic faith, raised from the age of 3 years old in a high Anglican church. Then, into my adult years I reaffirmed myself back into the Roman Catholic denomination. I will tell you, the C of E and the R.C have done a very poor job of teaching the Bible. My protestant friends, here in USA know their Bible inside and out. I do not, and that is something I am not proud of - I feel very guilty. Though, I am knowledgable on many of the stories in the Bible, but I am not "Bible smart." My apologies, if you thought I gave that impression.
Jacqueline
- Wednesday, August 06, 2003 at 16:18:21 (PDT)
Thank you Sadie. I 've actually been in touch with George Monarch; I looked him up on the UK white pages, and have just got off the phone after 45 minutes!He told me that the school photo was in the Echo recently, with myself and your brother sitting in the front! He hasn't got into computers unfortunately, so I can't attract him to this page.
Colin Hall
Wellington, - Tuesday, August 05, 2003 at 16:10:32 (PDT)
Butterfly. You certainly hit the nail on the head. Much of the Old Testament, and some of the New, is written in parables, just to make a point, and not to be taken literally. Anyone can take anything out of context in the Old Testament, and make it fit their own viewpoint. The people who wrote the bible had a limited vocabulary, about 1,500 words, yet the book uses vocabulary with perhaps, 15,000 words. Some where along the way words were added which, were not part of the original text. I wonder who did that? In the original Hebrew a “rod” was “a method of guidance”. Suddenly it became a stick to beat a person with…”Spare the rod, spoil the child”, many a child has suffered because of that phrase, wrongly attributed, by the zealous, to the bible. The original writers were unable to record what it was that they saw, heard, or experienced, simply because they didn’t have the words. From your posts it is obvious that you have discovered the secret of the “book”.
Not Posh
- Tuesday, August 05, 2003 at 16:08:53 (PDT)
Jacqueline. "Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds." Acts vii. 22. In other words he knew the history of the Egyptians and used it to his advantage.Easily applied to Iraq. A person’s life experiences certainly make them wiser than a person who has little knowledge of the way others live. You make a good point about not experiencing life outside of the “books” which ties in with what Butterfly Stomach says. His/her reference is to the Bible, which is often described as the “Book”. Not wanting to put words into the posters’ mouth, but I read the post as meaning that wisdom attained from the Book is a double edged sword and common sense must be applied. Exodus 35:2 clearly states that a person working on the Sabbath should be put to death, if Butterfly does what the Book tells him would he be guilty of breaking the Commandment” Thou shalt not kill”? Could he use Exodus as his defense or would he be laughed out of court? Who decides which quote from the bible is the most worthy? There is a secret to be learned from the Book, only when you know the secret can you be truly free and wise. Those who constantly quote the Book haven’t learned the secret. “Wisdom has very little to do with "book smart"…(your words) Religion has little to do with being bible smart… (My words)
Not Posh
- Tuesday, August 05, 2003 at 16:07:36 (PDT)
'Jacqueline' just two things i would like to take up with you. firstly, just because you haven't seen someone in years & years does not mean to say you will have nothing in common. I meet total strangers & see through talking to them that we have many things in common. Also I agree with you that wisdom comes through life experience & not through book learning, but someone could go through a lifetime of life experiences & still not achieve wisdom. I don't know you, I can only go by what you say on the guestbook, but to be honest I can't see that you've received any more wisdom than the rest of us book readers!
Butterfly Stomach
- Tuesday, August 05, 2003 at 16:05:42 (PDT)
Defender of the faith? pick your faith! the Pope is the defender of the Catholic church, not the anglican church! I said what I said because one church is not superior to any other church! There are Great & evil 'holymen' in every religion, that is the point i was making, but you seem to think i am anti catholic! That's why I don't go to any church. That is not to say I am not religious as I am, but I believe you don't have to go to church to be religious. I apologise to anyone who thinks I am being vicious, I'm just trying to get my points accross..whether they are blinkered or not, they are my opinions, so are just as valid as anyone elses. Just as yours is blinkered on the matter of gays! I agree I hardly make any comments on the guest book, I'm still pretty new to it, but as I said before if I think people are belittling people then I will respond. When Jacqueline said I'm not against gays but.... or it's just not right it's against nature.... that is say! ing she is better than them, which she is not. Actually homosexuality is not a human phenomenon, it happens in all animal life, so to say it's against nature is not strictly true, it is a small preportion of that nature who has same sex tendancies. Oh by the way just in case you are all wondering, I am 100 per cent straight, but I judge people on their goodness, not on their sexuality.
Butterfly Stomach
- Tuesday, August 05, 2003 at 16:04:41 (PDT)
Ah! The pedantic and incongruously named Wise one [sic],I had forgotten your presumed ownership of this guestbook! England had played ten consecutive games prior to meeting the All Blacks in Wellington. They, the AB's had not played together in a test. Despite that, they scored a try against England, and almost another. The much-vaunted English pack did not dominate, nor did they have the same possession, and not only scored no try's but never got close! England in fact were lucky to score at all against a green team. The All Blacks have since beaten Wales, and France, and both South Africa and Australia by 50 points. After the World Cup final, when England are pensioning off their geriatrics, and ruing their reliance on little Jonny, they will realise what good rugby is all about!They will not win with their pedestrian game of not scoring trys and killing the ball at every opportunity. Just remember where you heard that first.Are you sure you and Ms Markie aren'! t related? Right, now to matters for which I think this site should excel, anyone know where Geordie Monarch lives?
Colin Hall
Wellington, - Tuesday, August 05, 2003 at 16:02:58 (PDT)
"Wise One" way to go! You sure did put "Butterfly Stomach" in his/her place. Though, he/she did make some valid points in reference to the Bible and the Commandments. How many people do stick to the Ten Commandments? We have all taken the Lord's name in vain. We have all cheated by looking at the opposite sex with some form of lust. How many of us have actually Honored our mothers and fathers? How many of us have never lied once in our lives? How many of us agree with the War in Iraq, which is the same thing as agreeing with "killing." How many of us have not said anything hurtful against our neighbors? How many of us have never once been jealous of our neighbor? How many of us actually do take the Sabbath, (Sunday) seriously? And how many parents actually teach their children about staying a virgin until the Sacrament of marriage has taken place? How many of us are willing to forgive and to make Peace after such an arguement? How many of us are willing to admit ou! r own mistakes and faults? "Wise One" I think "Butterfly Stomach" made some very valid points. I think because Christians in general do not follow the laws of the Bible as strictly as the Orthodox Jews, or as some of the Muslims, Hindus, it is why, in particularly do the Muslims see us, as the "infidels" - the evil society. Neither in Britain or the USA in general are Christ Centered countries. I do try very hard to take the Commandments very seriously, I do not always succeed, but with a few I am very serious, and yet, I get teased for it and have been told a few times that a man will never want to marry me unless I "sleep around" That to me is utterly ignorant; so I stay single until I meet the right man. I stick to the principles of the Bible, or at least I try, and again, I sometimes suffer because I open my mouth and speak up for morals. "Butterfly Stomach" perhaps it is that we fail to live the exact standards of the Bible, because it is that we are human and were bor! n with original sin. I do believe being Gay is an equal sin to purpose ly breaking one of the ten commandments. One last note, I think you are being too critical of "Wise One" and myself. Neither one of us direct mean comments to a particular person. What we do, do is state our opinions and beliefs. We do not expect for you to agree with us, but neither do we expect for you to purposely be critical of our opinions and beliefs and to try to belittle either one of us. Why don't you agree to disagree with us. Just as I do not always agree with "Not Posh" nor, she with me, but I do not purposely direct mean comments her way. Try to be a little more gentle and kinder in your comments to "Wise One" and to others on this G/B
Jacqueline
- Tuesday, August 05, 2003 at 16:00:27 (PDT)
Has anyone one seen the film GROUNDHOG DAY in which a man relives the same day over and over again? This guest book is like that film. It does not matter how long you leave it, when you come back you know for a fact that Miss Markie and Wise one will still be spouting the same old rubbish over and over and over and over and over...............
Mr Zzzzz
Seaham, - Tuesday, August 05, 2003 at 15:57:30 (PDT)
To Colin Hall I've asked Norman about the other photograph. He say he does have one but can't find it. However he's going to have another look for it. Sadie M
Sadie Mason
Seaham, - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 17:03:17 (PDT)
My Dad came from Seaham,I remember the long train rides to visit the many relations when I was little girl..the streets had big loose stones in the road. My father was called Bill Swan,,his father (also called Bill) worked at the bottle factory and down the pits. I am searching for connections with any Swans or Lincolns in Seaham
Claire Taylor <graeme.taylor7@ntlworld.com>
Holton le Clay, Lincolnshire uk - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 17:01:05 (PDT)
: I,m looking for information on Watsons Yard Ryhope. Family names: Nicholson + Donkin. 1887+ in Ryhope, Easington, Shotten or Haswell areas. Thankyou.
Angela <migran@telia.com>
Karlskrona, Sweden - Monday, August 04, 2003 at 16:59:24 (PDT)
"Not Posh" I do disagree with you.... Wisdom comes from life's experiences. There is a big difference between being "Book" smart and smart by truly "living life" and experiencing life with a multitude of people from every social, economical, political, ethnic background. I thank God each day for the beautiful life he has given to me, by the fact that through all my many mistakes I have made in my life, that I am able to recognise those mistakes, and along the way has come wisdom. (Along with the beautiful encounters I have had with all kinds of people.)....... One can stay in one place, study all the books, be knowledgable on every topic in the world, but if one has not experienced life outside of the "books" one can be equally as ignorant as those who are not acdemically book smart. Wisdom has very little to do with "book smart"
Jacqueline
- Monday, August 04, 2003 at 16:58:16 (PDT)
Colin Hall, nice to see you back, just knew you would return! what did you think Colin, of the English Rugby teams magnificent wins against the All Blacks and the Wallabies? I know in your letter of 2/4/03 you stated "NTJ is clearly overcome by England's success in the the pussy-footing around that passes for rugby in the six-nations. Playing in the Southern Hemisphere is a different game Dear boy! England has played 24 games against New Zealand, of which they have won five, with one drawn[in 1997]. They won in England last year by a mere three points against an All Black team which had no less that seven new caps in it.A team of apprentices one might say.They next play the All Blacks in Wellington on 14th June this year,but the AB's will field a full-strength team, and will bury England. World Cup to England? Dream on sunshine, you are playing in Australia!" Have you now changed your views Colin?
Wise One
- Monday, August 04, 2003 at 16:56:15 (PDT)
Butterfly Stomach, You do not make many contributions to this G/book, which is just as well, as the ones you do make are full of the vitriol you accuse others of making and also so full of inconsistancies that you could drive a bus through them. I have yet to see you bring up any subject of your own making. no original subject matter at all, just negative, blinkered, unconstructive criticism and misquotes in abundance, too many to go through. but to name one, I never said that the Pope was or should be "The Defender of the faith for the C of E" what I said was; "Defender of the faith? that title must surely go the the Pope in Rome who spoke his mind this week on this subject! and I say this as a Member of the Anglican Church" So Butterfly Stomach! can we look forward to some reasonable debate from you? I won't hold my breath. Oh and you needn't apologise for "picking on me" You "put your foot in your mouth" on a regular basis.
Wise One
- Monday, August 04, 2003 at 16:55:11 (PDT)
W'ise One" for not seeing you for so many years, it seems "you and I" according to "Buterfly Stomach" have so much in common. I don't think you are I are an more hypocritical than humans are in general. I think we both speak our mind, and neither one of us "waffle" when it comes to what we believe in - we take a stance for what we feel to be right or wrong - I do the same thing. (Are we just both "rigid or what?" We are both just set in our ways! Anyway. later this evening I will go to www.google.com and search George Bush AWOL. Look forward to reading more comments. Oh and by the way, hey, I just read in the newspaper that Iran are now building Nukes, I think you are right, we need to be cautious of Iran. Take care and have a nice day today.. God Bless! :)
Jacqueline
- Monday, August 04, 2003 at 16:53:58 (PDT)
"Not Posh" You have a certain way of making me at a "loss" for words. Most people who know me, know I am rarely at a loss for chattering. You and "Wise One" and I think "Tom Morland" and "Oz Colin" are the few people who contribute to this G/B who are actually intelligent. (Not sure I ought to include myself in that sentence.. though I would like to, but my critics but beg to differ.)Anyway, you have some very good points, I like them! Don't always agree with them, but they're good.
Jacqueline
- Monday, August 04, 2003 at 16:52:50 (PDT)
'wise one' & 'Jacqueline' there are a lot of things people do today that is not in keeping with the teachings of the Bible. One example is that most people today have or have had sex outside marraige, shock, horror, will we be condemned? Also one of the 10 commandments state that we should all remember the sabbath & keep it holy. We are not supposed to work on Sundays at all, so is everyone who works on sundays condemned too? How about everyone who has taken the Lords name in vain? the list could go on & on & on & on........... I wonder have either of you been guilty of sinning? if so, what makes you any better than the rest of us? as I said earlier it is mentioned in the Ten Commandments about the sabbath day & taking the Lords name in vain, but it is not mentioned in the 10 commandments about being gay, that is relegated to another part of the Bible. So really breaking a commandment will be a much bigger sin than being gay wouldn't you think? Take heed eve! ryone, if a job states that you should work on sundays, jack it in & turn gay instead!
Butterfly Stomach
- Monday, August 04, 2003 at 16:51:57 (PDT)
Wise One Some religions state that the procreation of children is the only valid reason for marriage. The Church of England has weathered, and, caused many storms thus I cannot envision its demise. You may have come from an ancestor who had many wives. Polyandry and Polygamy existed among the ancient Britons. Society changes based on the availability of food, water, shelter. Religious tenants change according to the leadership, and climate of the times. Marriage today bears little resemblance to its origins. It was not always a union between one man and one woman, but it has been a union between opposite sexes. As you, I find that the Pope’s stance fits more with my idea of marriage. Gay marriages don’t offend me, but neither do they appeal to me.
Not Posh
- Sunday, August 03, 2003 at 16:24:10 (PDT)
Jacqueline I’m not a fan of anyone, but I do respect many people. I neither like nor dislike Mr. Bush. His policies are what I dislike. He appears to be unable to understand his own words and actions. Unlike Mr. Blair, who is clear and concise, Mr. Bush is inarticulate. Numerous religions sanction a man having more than one wife; therefore it cannot be true that marriage is only between a (one) man and a (one) woman. It depends on the religion one follows. To acquire wisdom one needs to know one’s own history (country) and the history of the world. What do you really know about Iraq? Do you know who first used gas on the people of Iraq? Do you know why? Do you know how and why Iraq was divided into sections? Do you know the role played by Gertrude Bell? Do you know who Gertrude Bell was? The issue of war has always been simplistic, not complex. War, has always been about power, money, natural resources, hatred, coveting a neighbors’ goods and chattels. The war in Iraq is true to the pattern. Saddam is not equal to Hitler. They had different agendas, different ways of operating, and from different generations. There is no such person as a “good man”. Some religions state that man was born evil, and sinful. Mr. Bush may try hard to do the right thing, but whom is he doing it for, and who determines the right thing? Unfortunately Mr. Bush makes mistakes that affect all of us, determines world history, and results in changes in the world that billions of people in the world do not want.The people of Iraq are not free,they have been invaded, the invaders are still there.Mr Bush spoke for a world who did not want him as spokesman.
Not Posh
- Sunday, August 03, 2003 at 16:22:22 (PDT)
Jacqueline go to Google.com and enter "George Bush AWOL" then sort out the "wheat from the chaff" and make your own mind up!
Wise One
- Sunday, August 03, 2003 at 16:20:20 (PDT)
Wise One, how can the pope be defender of the faith for the Church of England? If you want him to be the defender of your faith, join the catholics! remember the pope is not chosen by god himself but by people in the vatican. I wonder just how many of them who selected him were gay themselves? you only have to see how they protect their bishops/priests/whatever over allegations of homosexuality & child abuse to realise that it is rife amongst the supposed 'holymen'. The church can be so hypocritical, a bit like you & Jacqueline actually, i think you may have found your vocation! I'm sure my religion teaches me forgiveness, understanding & tolerance, virtues that you don't possess. The way you & 'pratteline' go on I think that you think only you & her will make it to heaven! wouldn't that be lonely? or there again, you might just enjoy that, there would not be any room for anyone with ego's as big as the pair of you have. Sorry to seemingly pick on you, but ! if you will talk as if you are God himself, then you will come in for constructive critism! by the way, do have a nice day!
Butterfly Stomach
- Sunday, August 03, 2003 at 16:19:42 (PDT)
Thank you Ed for your innovations in the areas of Walkway and Football, and particularly that photo of the High Colliery team. It brings back some wonderful memories; my neighbours Geordie Monarch, and Norman Beer, and Brian Newby from whom I once acquired a second-hand pair of football boots. I was in that team but obviously not that year! Geordie Monarch, [anyone know where he is now?] was really quite good. We did quite well for a small school, though I can remember being done 11-0 once! I wonder if Norman[Beer} could put up that other school photo of which I know he has a copy? I'm holding the class details board! In fact, Eddie, how about a thread for similar photo's? It would be more relevant to the site than the daily drivel from Ms Markie which, frankly, should be either canned or restricted to one-liners! Seeing others photo's would strike a chord in what is a SEAHAM site, with little relevancy to Ms Markie's inane chatter.
Colin Hall
Wellington, New Zealand - Sunday, August 03, 2003 at 16:17:54 (PDT)
"Wise One" Good for you! We actually agree! My comments I made earlier this evening, have yet to be posted, hopefully they will be posted, But I asked you what you thought about openly Gay Bishops being ordained in the "Episcopal/Anglican" Church, such as the issue over here, which will be made by Monday. I wanted to know, as you are a father, with a teenager daughter, how you would feel having an "Openly gay" Priest, Vicar, etc.. standing at the pulpit teaching the word of God - The "Standards of the Bible." Homosexuality is not the standards of the Bible. Therefore, I do NOT believe that gay priest, vicars, chaplains etc.. ought to be ordained. Though, homosexuality has been going on since the dawn of time, it does not make it right. I am sure you would not want your daughter being taught by an openly gay (or gay in general) vicar that homosexuality is right and normal. I am so glad that you and I agree on this issue. I think we probably agree on more than what w! e think we disagree on. What do others think about this issue?
Jacqueline
- Sunday, August 03, 2003 at 16:15:25 (PDT)
Jacqueline, just thought i'd let you know that Mr. Blair would agree to anything if he thought it would earn him more votes.
not a Tony fan
- Saturday, August 02, 2003 at 17:18:34 (PDT)
'Jacqueline' so there are certain things you just have to learn to keep quiet about is there? why is it that haven't learnt that lesson then?
Teacher
- Saturday, August 02, 2003 at 17:18:00 (PDT)
Marriage according to my dictionary is, the state in which a Man and a Woman are formally united for the purpose of living together (usually in order to procreate Children) and with certain legal rights and obligations towards each other. It seems that the Church of England are hellbent on changing this to allow Gays and Lesbians to have a Marriage ceremony of sorts, this if allowed to happen will cause a schism in the C of E bigger by far than that caused by Henry VIII. and will be a disaster, over the years I along with other lay Members have "tolerated" the way they have changed this and that, like the words in some of the best loved hymns and even the change in "The Lords Prayer" but to me "Gay Marriages" will be the final straw and "nail in the coffin" for the Church of England. Defender of the faith? that title must surely go the the Pope in Rome who spoke his mind this week on this subject! and I say this as a Member of the Anglican Church
Wise One
- Saturday, August 02, 2003 at 17:17:20 (PDT)
"Not Posh" It is obvious you may not be a fan of our President, George W. Bush and that is okay. I am very much aware that our world is not made up of all Christians, I know that because I am well traveled, within Europe, parts of Africa, Canada, and more than half of the United States. I have came into contact with people from all walks of life in my relatively short life, thus far. My philosophy of one ataining wisdom, does not come with age, it comes from life experiences and with that, comes having the opportunity to have socialized with a multitude of people from every background you can imagine. Therefore, "Not Posh" I am most aware that our world is not made up of "All Christians." However, in every faith in our world, marriage is sanctified by a "man and a woman." The fact that the American President has recognized that, and opposes legalizing gay marriages, I think it does indeed say something about his morals and principles. Even he himself said, "we mus! t recognize we are all sinners." ............... The issue of the War, is very complex. I do indeed feel that we did the right thing. Saddam Hussain was a threat to our world and to his own people. You have read of what he did to his own people? How he torchured them beyond one's imagination. He was equal to Adolf Hitler. The people of Iraq have been freed and their is a new Government in place. The people of Iraq are working toward "A Democracy." I do however, believe that we need to get our soldiers out of Iraq as soon as possible, and turn the situation over to the United Nations. (though, I don't put much faith in the UN) The War also, may well have been about "Oil" but again, President Bush is a Politican, and we all know every politican and every Government have an agenda of their own. Just as people do what they do in life to survive, whether they are content with their life's path or not, they have to survive. Well, the governments do what they do as a matter of thi! nking what best help countries to survive. Perhaps we needed this war to boost the economy. It does not make it right, it does not justify it, but remember, It is all about Politics. Al Gore may have done the same thing. Unfortunately, Politicans do not always truly think about what is right, what is wrong, what is moral what is not - or think about principles. It is all Politics. You appear by your postings, to be very intelligent, it is obvious to me, and ought to be to others, therefore, you of all people on this Guest Book, should know that "All Politicans and all governments have their own agenda." Though, I do firmly believe that President Bush is a good man and tries very hard to do the right thing. He is human and makes mistakes, like we all do.
Jacqueline
- Saturday, August 02, 2003 at 17:14:40 (PDT)
"Not Posh" You are obviously not a "George Bush" fan. That is okay... Thank you, however, for pointing out some very valid issues to think about. Mind you, I was unaware that George Bush went "AWOL" I will research why he went AWOL. I thought he was pro-military, that was another reason why I wanted him to be President along with others. Being in the company and influence of Military for a total of 7 years working for them as their Nanny, one family for 5 years and another for 2 years,(And still being in close comapany with the families) I cannot help but be Pro-Military and appreciate everything our soldiers do - they put their lives on the line. Anyway thanks for that bit of information. Sorry we disagree, but as I have said before, differences of opinions helps keep a balance in society.
Jacqueline
- Saturday, August 02, 2003 at 17:11:55 (PDT)
Visited the old place recently, thanks to all who value and look after her, here's to better days . an older boy.
Robert Emmerson <bobemmerson@hotmail.com>
Greatham Village, Hartlepool England - Saturday, August 02, 2003 at 17:10:46 (PDT)
I'm sorry Jacqueline but dear old George Bush is nothing but a bigotted red-neck who makes his policies both foreign and domestic based on which right wing group will contribute to his campaign funds. We need to live and let live and stay out of peoples private lifestyles that we know nothing about, especially if you're not even in a long term relationship to be able to comment on what committment should be classified as.
Lesley Roberts <ladyboss67@yahoo.co.uk>
Phoenix, Arizona USA - Saturday, August 02, 2003 at 17:08:59 (PDT)
Jacqueline. As you are not Clinton or Gore you cannot be sure about what they would or would not do. If that is your reason for wanting George Bush to be president then you may have made the correct choice. How do you know that George Bush has morals and principles? Admitting ones mistakes, quite a huge one he made, doesn’t equate to character and integrity. As a reformed drunk, drug taker, awol serviceman, perhaps he is an excellent role model. "But who is to say another President would have done things any differently". Who is to say that they wouldn’t? I think that he is immoral, not in the religious sense, but in his approach to world affairs, the environment, greed for natural resources at the expense of human resources, inability to express himself, and taking an office that he wasn’t elected to hold.
Not Posh
- Friday, August 01, 2003 at 16:46:35 (PDT)
Beofre you all start giving me "hell" for my strong opinion against "gay marriages" It is not that I am being judgmental, it is the principle of it. When we start to legalize gay marriages, we have just crossed the line way too far. (The same with cloning humans, if that ever came about - it is just crossing the line) Gay marriages are just not right and that is the way it is. If we all had gay marriages, then no way would we have children the natural way. People would all be using the sperm banks and that is also just not a natural way of having children. Of course, it is more acceptable when two people, male and female are trying to have a baby and there are compliactions, therefore, sperm bank maybe the only way to go. Otherwise, it is just not the natural way and not the way God indended. I don't have a problem with gays and lesbians in general, (I have 2 friends who are gay and lesbian - I don't understand neither one of them, but, I have known them for years,! and I am not going to stop being their friend because of their lifestyle)But I do have a problem with the gay community who are insisting on flaunting their lifestyle on the socially, acceptable "normal" hetrosexual community of this society. Also, I do not agree at all with the homosexual communty being allowed to adopt children. It is wrong, it is wrong! There is just no way they can be given the same equal teachings of "family values" as a child being raised with two parents of the opposite gender. I am sorry, if you all think I am being judgmental, but gay marriages and gays raising children, is just crossing the line way too much - it goes above and beyond tolerance. Though, if I was in the company of gays and lesbians,I would just try my hardest to keep my mouth shut, and not get into a political and religious discussion of the topics. There are certain things one should just learn to stay quiet about - I learned a little harder way of that lesson. Anyway, not sure i! f in England there is an uproar about legalizing gay marriages - and i f there was, do you think Tony Blair would agree to such a thing?
Jacqueline
- Friday, August 01, 2003 at 16:44:57 (PDT)
Sorry ,it submitted before I'd finished.My understanding of the world is that God gave us free will.Whatever, road a person takes is between the person and God.It doesn't make any difference what George Bush thinks.Like the rest of us he'll not matter in a hundred years.However, if God is there, He'll remember. Bush is just a snowflake in a snowball.
Not Posh
- Friday, August 01, 2003 at 16:42:40 (PDT)
J. All Mr. Bush said, was that, from a religious stance, he believes that marriage is only between a man and a woman. Some people in the world believe that, some don't.He does not make laws, like everyone else he has to follow them. He was expressing his belief, nothing to do with the reality of the world, just his view. Historically marriage is a relatively new "norm". He is not a religious leader, just a politician who is prone to lying. The world is not made up of Christians. M
Not Posh
- Friday, August 01, 2003 at 16:41:52 (PDT)
"My friend" I wil not be available to visit this Friday, I am out of town for the next month and a half - business and pleasure. I am way too busy and only have time to check in early morning and late evening. Perhaps we could connect again sometime in late September,and maybe then we could do Sunday evenings. I still enjoy reading your great, and very kind sense of humor (humour) postings. I am not sure what "Guest" was talking about on Monday July 28th, when he/she said that you can "give it, but can't take it." I think you take things very well and "turn the other cheek" most graciously. I hope what I was told was told by an individual was wrong, and that you are doing well and are happy - you deserve all the beauty life can bring you.
"your friend"
- Friday, August 01, 2003 at 16:40:51 (PDT)
Bunyard's Exhibition I'll take that as a compliment, Old Bean!
Wise One
- Thursday, July 31, 2003 at 14:44:27 (PDT)
Thank God we have a decent President. George Bush has just today said "No" to legalizing gay marriages. I am sure if Bill Clinton was still President or even if Al Gore was President both would have legalized gay marriages. I knew there was a reason why I wanted George Bush to be President. Yes, I have heard from my British friends that President Bush is not well favored back in England over the Iraq War; but who is to say another President would have done things any differently? President Bush is a man with morals and principles. Just today he admitted his mistake over the Iraq/Uranium issue. One can make all they mistakes, if they are not intentional (though it is still does not justify the mistakes) However, if one admits mistakes and lives by "Principles" it shows character and integrity. I, for one, am all for the "Principles" of issues. For the American citizens who use this Guest Book, and there are a few, I think we have a super President. I think we need t! o be thankful.
Jacqueline
- Thursday, July 31, 2003 at 14:43:35 (PDT)
"Wise One" is a really great guy. I have known him for 24 years and he is just a really nice guy - and funny too! He use to makes us laugh at Church.
Jacqueline
- Thursday, July 31, 2003 at 14:42:08 (PDT)
John, or wise one, or whatever you call yourself. You just get funnier.
Bunyard's Exhibition <Bexhibition@aol.com>
- Wednesday, July 30, 2003 at 17:07:33 (PDT)
Ive just browsed The George Elmy Gallery and would like to thank the compiler for an excellent job. some of the veiws brought back a lot of memories for me as a Deneside lad (Malvern Crescent) i spent a lot of time down the Harbour wher we used to knock about. i was also a member of the Sea Cadets so some of the dock scenes are quite familiar. things change for the better.
John Spencer <j.spencer33@ntlworld.com>
Portsmouth, Hampshire England - Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 16:43:58 (PDT)
Thanks Wise One for the information on St Andrews Church in Dalton-Le-Dale.
Denis Berry
Miramichi, New Brunswick Canada - Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 16:41:15 (PDT)
"Not Psoh" Thank you! That was a super comeback to "True American" Though, I do seem to remember, a little, that I think he once mentioned that he had some "Native American" blood in him. Also, there again, most Americans now, all want to be "Irish" also. But I do not doubt that wee bit of Irish in him either, as he can be a little "stubborn" (and firm) he and I butted heads too many times - both are too stubborn. We will see if he answers the tribe his ancestors are from - that will be interesting, as you are right, the only tribes I hear Americans say they are from are the "Cherokee" tribe.
J
- Tuesday, July 29, 2003 at 16:38:00 (PDT)
We have recently added a photo gallery of the newly opened George Elmy Lifeboat Way and the Durham Coastal Footpath etc. You'll find a link at the top of the Guestbook. Hope you like it. If you have any relevant photos you can offer please send them in and we'll consider putting them up.
Ed Mason (Seaham Harbour Online)
Seaham, UK - Monday, July 28, 2003 at 15:55:43 (PDT)
"Wise One" trip down memory lane... "Spying through the bushes" singing "Save my love for you my darling." Don't tell me you have forgot that evening.. I will never forget that evening for as long as I live... Not with the "T" I got into!
Your Friend
- Monday, July 28, 2003 at 15:49:57 (PDT)
: "My friend" I went to www.BBC.com and there is a place to type in your local zip code (post code) and it brings up the weather. Gosh! It is only in the 60's! Here it is in the 90's. The other day in the west Virginia mountains it was about 74 degrees and I was a little chilled and wore a light cardigan. I think I would freeze if I was to be home and this is suppose to be summer time! Hey, you are going to have to get yourself out here for a vacation - then I will show you our fair grounds... "Six Flags" etc... lots of roller coasters! (Big dippers as we call them back home.)Actually, I am rather scared of some of the rides - I am showing my age, the more you know of what can go wrong with the rides, the less you want to ride them. When I was younger, ignorance was bliss. If you were to come here I would prefer to show to you the museams and battle fields, and other historical sites. Though, I will agree nothing beats the British Castles and Cathedrals. I still reme! mber that I was confirmed with your brother, in Durham Cathedral, Monday April 11th 1983 @ 7.00pm (What a terrific memory I have!)We were confirmed by the Bishop of Jarrow. I remember it was a very beautiful 2 hours or so cermony, as there were 200 of us being confirmed that evening. Iain Davison was also confirmed that evening. Do you remember that evening? Oh and do you remember some of the times we sat through very long and boring sermons at "SJC" and sometimes up at St.Mary's up near Deneside. Whatever did I do to bug you?!!! I wonder!!!
your friend
- Monday, July 28, 2003 at 15:49:15 (PDT)
"Wish you were here" Thank you. I wish you were here too. Maybe a vacation sometime - would that be okay? Yes, I remember the "waltzer" and the "Umbrellas!" I thought the Seaham show was usually at the end of the summer season? Around the end of August or beginning of September right before the children go back to school. Anyway, I am so glad you had a good time.
Jacqueline
- Monday, July 28, 2003 at 15:46:51 (PDT)
: Wise one you dont half slavver on about knowt.
huey
- Monday, July 28, 2003 at 15:45:57 (PDT)
"Wise One" you are so right, "Life is too short to fall out" and I wish "True American" would realize that too.
J
- Monday, July 28, 2003 at 15:45:21 (PDT)
Lol True American. The well known "fact" is that, whenever an American decides to have some North American Indian Blood ,it's always Cherokee. It's never Chickasaw,Lumbee,Choctaw,Pima.Rarely Comanche,Cheyenne,Seminole, etc. Is it because Americans really don't know that there are other Tribes? Most American movie stars who say that they have Indian blood always opt for Cherokee. Do you know why? A litle research will reveal all.
Not Posh
- Monday, July 28, 2003 at 15:44:47 (PDT)
"Guest" neither "wise one" or myself have a "thing going on" he in Seaham, myself in USA... Be realistic and think about it. Besides, he has said himself, he does not always agree with me. In fact, I think most of the time he disagrees with me.
J
- Monday, July 28, 2003 at 15:43:22 (PDT)
Onlooker, Which website did you get your 'we survived' entry from? I can remember reading it last year on a 'feel good' website. I would like to look it up again. Thanks
kopykat
- Monday, July 28, 2003 at 15:42:40 (PDT)
"True American" I know who you are and I don't know where that came from.
a friend
- Monday, July 28, 2003 at 15:41:34 (PDT)
"Wise One" glad you are fine and well. Hope you are having a fun summer with your family. Hope you eventually received your gift and card. Thank you for the compliment of my "sensible contributions." Are you sure you were not joking? Seems to others that not all my contributions are "sensible." I guess I do need to "reflect" and become more "open minded" and Stop with my "too forceful" opinions on topics such as "religion and politics." I miff quite a lot of people. I will do some refecting for the last half of this summer. Have a nice day! "Wise One"
you know who
- Monday, July 28, 2003 at 15:39:59 (PDT)
Congratulations on the opening of the George Elmy Way, the Elmy family are very proud that a lifeboat was named after one of our relations, but were of course shocked that it came to such a tragic end.
Martyn Elmy <martynelmy@hotmail.com>
Southwold, Suffolk UK - Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 16:02:28 (PDT)
Wise One...nice try; however, I am 75% Cherokee Indian descent. Thanks for your most astute response though.
True American
USA - Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 16:00:56 (PDT)
Jacqueline, You are familiar with the term "wish you were here?" now that's just what I was thinking about you today when I spent a very pleasant afternoon at Seaham Carnival, The Sun was shining and everyone seemed to be enjoying themselves among the stalls and the Fairground! How I wish I could have got you onto the Waltzer! you do remember the Waltzer don't you? an added bonus was that it was the Sunderland Air Show a little up the coast and we got the "tailend" of it, a really wonderful day and I just wish you could have joined in. I'm sure that Oz, NZ, USA etc are nice places, but so is Seaham, God bless all who live, or have lived there!
your Friend
- Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 16:00:10 (PDT)
Onlooker what a great entry keep up the good work
Miss Manners
Canada - Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 15:59:01 (PDT)
Markie not having your facts straight had nothing to do with what you said.You brag about what a good christian you are all the time on the guestbook and then you make a comment about a man who has just killed himself as getting himself in a tissy.This man is dead no matter what the facts of his story are its still a terrible thing .I don't believe any normal person christian or not could take such a cavalier attitude to the death of someone facts or no facts.
Miss Manners
- Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 15:58:18 (PDT)
Butterfly Stomach you are right in everything you say about (un)Wise One just ignore him and keep posting your messages I like you just read the book and don't submit but I felt like supporting you this time .Wise One and Jacqueline plus all her other alias's think they own the book .They are in a little cocoon together playing who rules the roost.They love to dish it but boy neither can take it.I believe they have a thing going on don't you
Guest
- Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 15:57:29 (PDT)
: "you know who" Thank you for your kind wishes, can't speak of course for Miss Manners, but I'm fine and always the better for reading your most sensible contributions to the G/b. and I do enjoy reading all the contributions! I don't know of a better G/b in the Universe!
Wise One
- Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 15:56:37 (PDT)
: "Butterfly Stomach" I don't really know if you are telling me off or praising me in your letter? perhaps its a bit like "the Parson's egg" I think you're heart is in the right place, but, (no offence) I think you are easily wound up. like a lot on this G/book, but life is too short to fall out!
Wise One
- Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 15:55:55 (PDT)
"True American" I know you are a "fisherman" by hobby, but watch out, because you are "fishing" in the wrong sea on this Guest-book. I may bug a lot of people with all my "chitter-chatter" about "this and that".... but, I know they don't mind, at least not all the time. So, I know if you get way too "personal" (which I ask you to please not, as I am not getting "personal" with you. I do have a level of respect for you.) my dear friend "Wise One" will very kindly, as a well brought up British Gentleman would, come to my defence. (Spelled the British way just for you "Wise One.") Have a nice day "True American" and perhaps you could go "fish" in another "Sea" and not this "Sea"(ham)
a friend
- Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 15:55:13 (PDT)
"Wise One" you are so kind to come to my aid, when certain "people" seem to enjoy "bugging" others. That was a good come back you gave to "True American." I know this person and the person is NOT a native American. I think, if I have got it right, this person has an English last name and has a tint of Irish in the blood. This person is a "he." Though, I will say, he is good at using some "British" words, he must have a British friend.
a friend
- Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 15:53:47 (PDT)
To TONY FROM SPAIN, Hi. The reunion for the old girls and boys from Seaham Intermediate School is to be held on the 10th October 2003 at the Marlbough Club Seaham. Up to now there are approximatly 18 of us going. It would be great if you could be there too. Love Sadie and Eddie
Sadie Mason nee Beer
Seaham, Durham UK - Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 14:04:37 (PDT)
True American, the only true American is (probably) the American native-born Indian! Which Tribe are you from "True American?"
Wise One
- Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 13:59:59 (PDT)
"True American" I know who you are - you are not amusing at all. In fact, you are going to look pretty stupid.
a friend
- Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 13:59:20 (PDT)
"Wise One" and "Miss Manners" how are you two doing today? I hope well. "Miss Manners" I hope you saw my apology of a dreadful mistake I made through not having my facts put straight over the suicide of David Kelly. Without having all my facts put straight, yes, that was a stupid comment I had made. Anyway, I am off for now, talk to you all later.
you know who
- Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 13:58:42 (PDT)
Dear Wise One,I'd just like to comment on one or two points you made. firstly, I am not sensitive & easily wound up, far from it, in fact i'm normally so laid back you could knock me down with a feather. I have no idea who bunyard is, but i reponded to your posting to him, as i did think you were belittling him. (I would repond exactly the same way & defend you too if i thought you were being belittled for no good reason). Secondly I think it is you & not I who is confused as to what belittling & constructive critism is, people only have to scroll down to see the comment you made about his name to realise that, also saying you hated saying to me 'Have a nice day' so that is constructive critism is it? I think not. There have been plenty of entries from you speaking good sense & then there has been times when you've spouted a load of codswallop, but this is the 1st time i've spoken up, so does that make me sensitive & wound up? Also why spout quotations about if y! ou can't stand the heat, etc, why on earth should i 'get out of the kitchen'? contrary to your belief, i do not come into the guest book just to read what you say, i come online to read other peoples codswallop too.(& their good opinions too). So that is all from me for now, but i can say hand on heart to you, I wish you to have a very happy day! (And i mean it)
Butterfly Stomach
- Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 13:56:23 (PDT)
Onlooker, what a breath of fresh air! You are a voice of sanity in the insane world we live in at present. God Bless you Sir or Madam.
Critics Choice
- Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 13:54:37 (PDT)
Hiya Sadie..Hope you and Ed. are both keeping well,I left Seaham secondary in 1953 the name Norman Beer brings back memories would be interested in attending a re-union if possible .Cheers Tony
Tony From Spain
Espania - Friday, July 25, 2003 at 23:17:48 (PDT)
"butterfly stomach" You are confusing verbal belittling with constructive criticism, your pal Bunyard (old Bean) has got a Bee(n) in his bonnet! People like you and Old Bean are too sensitive and easily "wound up" so my advice is "if you can't stand the heat etc" or "let him without sin throw etc" or People in glasshouses etc" any way butterfly stomach "have a nice day, I just hate saying that last bit!
Wise One
- Friday, July 25, 2003 at 23:16:45 (PDT)
Denis Berry, St Andrews Church at the Dale is probably late 12th Century, but it could be as early as 8th Century, and as for Oliver Cromwell, don't think he was anywhere near Dalton-le-Dale, he couldn't even "find" Durham Cathedral, which was a good thing for us.
Wise One
- Friday, July 25, 2003 at 23:15:56 (PDT)
We are Survivors (For those born before 1940....consider the changes we have witnessed) We were born before the TV age, before polio shots, frozen food, plastics, contact lenses, Frisbees and the pill . We were before refrigerators, dishwashers, tumble dryers, electric blankets, airconditioners, credit cards, split atoms, laser beams, ballpoint pens and...before man could walk on the moon. We got married first and then lived to-gether. How quaint can you be? In our time closets were for clothes, not for 'coming out of'. Bunnies were small rabbits and dishes were for washing not for receiving programmes from out space. Designer Jeans were scheming girls and having a meaningful relationship meant getting along well with cousins. We thought fast food was what you ate during Lent and cold turkey was what you ate on Boxing Day We were before house husbands, gay rights, computer dating, dual careers and computor marriages. Divorce was something that happened to film stars. We were before day care centres, group therapy and nursing homes. We played with Dinky Toys, wore sock suspenders and braces, plastered our hair with Brylcream or Brilliantine and took a daily dose of cod liver oil and malt. We drank Ovaltine, ate porridge and listened to Dick Barton, ITMA, Workers Playtime and Housewives Choice. We had never heard of Radio One, tape decks, electric typewriters, artificial hearts, word processors or yoghurt. For us, time sharing meant togetherness not Spanish Holiday Homes, a chip meant a piece of wood , hardware meant a shop where you bought hammers and nails, and software wasn't even a word. In 1940, ' Made in Japan' meant poor quality and the Koreans and Taiwanese hadn't even started production. Pizzas, McDonalds and instant coffee were unheard of. We were born when nothing in Woolworth's cost more than sixpence. For sixpence you could take a ride on a tram, go to the cinema and buy an ice cream. In our day cigarette smoking was fashionable, grass was mowed, Coke was a cold drink or something you kept in a coal shed and pot was something you cooked in. Rock music was a lullaby and Aids were for those with hearing difficulties. We were certainly not before the differences between the sexes were discovered, but we were surely before the sex change. We made do with what we had and we were the last generation to think that you needed a husband to have a baby. We typed letters with a manual typewriter, did calculations in our head or by hand and used carbon paper to make copies. We used telephones without buttons or dials and FAX was something you looked up in an encyclopaedia. We did business with a handshake and trust ,yet somehow it all worked out......... We Survived
onlooker
- Friday, July 25, 2003 at 23:15:05 (PDT)
To All Guestbookers and any one else who may read this. If you left Seaham Intermediate School (Seaham Secondary Modern)in the 1950's there is going to be a reunion. Norman Beer and Alan Donaldson are the contacts. If you want to know more please get in touch with me via the Guest Book.
Sadie Mason nee Beer.
Seaham, Durham UK - Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 15:51:21 (PDT)
Markie how dare you say Dr Kelly got himself in a tissy and killed himself..What a stupid remark .Only you who puts such importance on yourself could come out and say something like that have you no decency at all
Miss Manners
Canada - Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 15:46:41 (PDT)
Why, Oh why do certain people on the guestbook think that their word is gospel. If people express a different point of view from the regulars on here then they are immediately belittled or rubbished. It is childish & visitors to the site will soon get bored with it. Everyone has opinions & are entitled to speak them, but to be belittles just because of their screen name is rediculous. Bunyards exhibition has made some good valid points & you should take heed. A truly 'wise one' would not stoop to verbal belittling of anyone. Well I await with baited breath my punishment for speaking up. I give it a couple of days before i am slated by you!
butterfly stomach
- Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 15:45:44 (PDT)
"Bunyards Exibit" Well, never mind about my comment of the "David Kelly" issue. I realized about an hour or so afterwards when I was reading the newspaper and listening to the news that I had royaly "goofed up!" And got my facts WRONG! With a CAPITAL "W" - My mistake and willingly will admit it.
Jacqueline
- Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 15:44:23 (PDT)
Well the Lads lost their first pre-season game 2-0 at Huddersfield. They missed several golden opportunities (even without Phillips to miss them) and seem to have lost two goals through mediocre defending. I can see Mick's got them on the right track and by the opening game we are bound to be back to our best as we were at the end of last season. Have a look at the Sunderland-afc.com website. Mick's asking if we have the passion. Naw! Not just yet.
Micks Mentor
Seaham, England - Thursday, July 24, 2003 at 15:43:10 (PDT)
"Bunyard's Exhibition" well what do you know, its a bean... A very early tall growing variety bearing enormous pods". and no doubt with illusions of Grandeur! now that makes me laugh!
Wise One
- Wednesday, July 23, 2003 at 16:25:11 (PDT)
How did you become such a snob Jacqueline? If people don't agree with you you suggest that they are wrong. And now I read that you think that children from poor backgrounds might know what sex is. Do you think rich parents are automatically better? And your comment about Dr Kelly just exposes your ignorance.
Bunyard's Exhibition <Bexhibition@aol.com>
- Wednesday, July 23, 2003 at 16:24:31 (PDT)
To Not So Posh at last we agree.I only have one more thing to say I did not say education was a sin if you look back at that entry you will see what I thought was a sin
Miss Manners
Canada - Wednesday, July 23, 2003 at 16:23:05 (PDT)
To Not So Posh at last we agree
Miss Manners
Canada - Wednesday, July 23, 2003 at 16:21:42 (PDT)
"Wise One" I did not know you were a "Newcastle" football fan. Are they a good team now? Everytime I see a Newcastle Bown Ale beer over here, I will now think of you. Of course, I don't drink beer, as I don't like it. But a few people I know drink Newcastle Brown Ale. Anyway, talk to you later - can't wait.
JKM
- Wednesday, July 23, 2003 at 16:20:58 (PDT)
Miss Manners I dont believe that I said that. What I did say was that such a program would teach children how to act/ react, to/in certain situations. I most certainly do not believe that sex education is all that is needed. I was replying to a post where the poster did not think it a sound idea to teach sex education, I replied that not only was a sound idea but also greatly needed. I most certainly do not think that children should not be supervised. What I do believe is that it is an almost impossible task. Children go to school, play with friends, attend sporting events etc. It is evident from many child abduction cases that, despite the fact that the children were very well supervised, they vanished, on occasion with parents close by. Knowing what to do in a situation has saved some children. But again, apart from the parents, what does your school and community do to help keep children safe? How do they work with the home? I believe that they do a great deal. Nothing will ever b! e enough, but everything should be considered. From what I have read it will be a balance between home and school.
Not Posh
- Tuesday, July 22, 2003 at 16:32:08 (PDT)
"My friend" I will not be available this Friday. will be available this Tuesday and Wednesday evening to visit. I will go on chat line at our times and if you are there we can visit. Hope to see you.
Your Friend
- Tuesday, July 22, 2003 at 16:30:56 (PDT)
A lot of the rants and 'arguments' put forward on this guestbook begger belief, but when I read Wise One's 'why have thou forsaken me' nonsensical comparison of Bush and Blair to Our Lord I actually laughed out loud.
Bunyard's Exhibition <Bexhibtion@aol.com>
- Tuesday, July 22, 2003 at 16:30:17 (PDT)
how i wish that phillips goes to the gers!!!!!if they depend on him to score the goals next season then its the treble for us!!!hoops =celtic fc bye the way!!
hoops forever
- Tuesday, July 22, 2003 at 16:29:12 (PDT)
"Mick's Mentor" Can't agree with you, re Sunderlands prospects for the new season! They could struggle in the First Division, I am a Newcastle Utd supporter through and through, but I get no joy out of the Machs being down in the lower Division. The Players do not deserve such magnificent supporters and neither do the Directors, who should all hang their heads in shame, in particular the Man at the top, who virtually owns the Club, I mean the Chairman himself who should carry the can for the whole sorry debacle. They should "give" the Club back to the Fans who've had a raw deal for years.
Wise One
- Tuesday, July 22, 2003 at 16:28:29 (PDT)
Whya re my Posting to "Wise One" Not being posted? Or postings to "My friend" not being posted? Again, My friend I will not be available this Friday to chat, but can on Wednesday, I could on Tuesday but now you won't get the message in time. Also, did you get your gift fromt eh appropriate person? Please let me know - thanks.
Your Friend
- Tuesday, July 22, 2003 at 16:27:31 (PDT)
And which penname was that on-looker?
Perre Spective
- Tuesday, July 22, 2003 at 16:26:36 (PDT)
I am pleased our european friends did not join in the war with Saddam because the French would have given up and let someone else do the fighting for them and the Germans would have tried to take over the world.
Winston
seaham, - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 15:42:10 (PDT)
"Not Posh" You seem to make some very good and valid points. Sex education is NOT a sin, I guess I just don't think that a child of 5 or 6 understands the term "sex" education. But, there again, children are exposed to so much more these days than ever before, with television, movies and even video games - I bet some 6 yr olds who live in the poorer areas of where I work are aware of what sex actually is. I think perhaps you are right, we do need to educate our children and perhaps 5 yrs old is not too young. I would rather myself and a decent school teacher teach my children the correct way of sex education and explain the beauty in it, and not a negative impression of it. Also, to teach my children how to protect themselves from offenders. I have to realize that we live in a very different world these days, as to when I was a child - children today grow up too fast.
JKM
USA - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 15:41:18 (PDT)
To Not So Posh you tell me how a five year old child would use sex- ed when they have been taken away by a pedophile.I repeat again I am not against sex-ed it is just not enough.you don't have to use a straight jacket to know what your children are doing you are just involved with what your children are doing.you seem to think that sex ed is all that is needed .You seem to think its wrong to supervise your children.Yes there are parents who are not very good when it comes to child rearing .So maybe sex-ed would help them.Maybe when the children are in sex-ed it should be compulsory the parents attend as well.
Miss Manners
Canada - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 15:39:56 (PDT)
Can anyone tell me how old the Church is in Dalton-le dale. My great Uncle Tommy Berry's funeral was held there 46years ago. And is it true that Oliver Chromwell missed burning it down when he was heading north.
Denis Berry
Miramichi, New Brunswick Canada - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 15:38:34 (PDT)
They're not doing so bad, the Lads. Three pre-season games unbeaten and we've still got to cash in on our quality players like Phillips and Sorenson. Then we'll be able to buy some new quality players with the money and off we go again. Any bets on us getting promoted this season. Straight back up. That'll be us.
Mick's Mentor
Seaham, England - Monday, July 21, 2003 at 00:40:14 (PDT)
"Perre Spective" youre last "penname" was a better one!
on-looker
- Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 23:58:28 (PDT)
"Wise One" you are So RIGHT about North Korea - Oh I wish other people would take it serious too. But Mother Teresa said, "The fruits of abortion is nuclear war." We as humans do not respect human life, we have abortions, we have people commiting suicide, we have people killing, there are very few homes now where children have parents who are still married, they are now becoming homes where there are homosexuals raising children, we have lost all sense of morals and pride and self dignity. We have thrown away all what God has taught to us. What was once considered "wrong" is now right and what was once considered "right" is now wrong. No-one knows what "sin" is anymore, because everything nowadays, is "anything goes." I try to teach families and children and teenagers and young adults, about the importance of "chasity" until marriage, and the general society say, "we" in our ministry group, are not normal and are "square heads." If we went back to the old tradition! al family values, society would be much better off for it. Anyway, Yes, again, "Wise One" I am also very concerned about North Korea. Here in Washington DC I am kept up to date very well on the Political stance of it all and I can tell you, there is a lot our government are not revealing to us. By the way go to: www.wnd.com and there you can get great news that you can trust. "Wise One" you are such a "sweetie" and smart too. You are different to your family; they should be proud of you, despite the challenges you face in your life. You are a good person. Thank you! :)
Jkm
- Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 23:57:10 (PDT)
Went along to my local pub The Hadwick Hotel on Saturday night 19/07/03 and to my surprise there was entertainment on. The entertainment was in the form of a band from Seaham called The Pop - Eyed Dolls. A varied mix of music from 50s rock and roll 60s classics right through to even 70s and modern punk. My wife and I had a magnificent night and by the reaction of every one else in the pub which was almost full, it will not be long before The Pop - Eyed Dolls return to The Hardwick to entertain us again.
Jim Thomas
Blackhall, England - Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 23:55:04 (PDT)
Jacqueline, with regard to me copying your messages and you appending my name to yours, someone is trying to !"wind us up" if we ignore them they'll just go away! if they don't "go away" just ignore them just the same, that type of person is pathetic.
Wise One
- Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 23:53:35 (PDT)
Enjoyed reading your site, great content, Keep up the good work!
Eleanor Burton
US - Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 23:52:58 (PDT)
Miss Manners. You may not think that, but can you prove it? What do you understand by the term “sex education”? It is not being promoted as a preventive measure, rather as a tool for young children to understand the world in which they live. A sin? What nonsense, I know all the sins, education isn’t one of them. I applaud any parent who is able to monitor every movement, friend, and activity of their child, however, that is an impossible task to give to a parent. On the other hand how dreadful for a child to be constantly monitored by a parent. Why not just buy a straight jacket, or simply don’t have any children? Just a simple exercise, how many children in your community have been molested? Do you know what is being taught in your schools re sex education? I am surprised that you are unable to accept that all parents are not like your good self. I read the newspapers. The percentage of crimes against children is very low when the population is taken into consi! deration. We all have to be on our guard, and professional instruction is a necessity.
Not Posh
- Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 23:51:52 (PDT)
"Wise One" I am supporting our President, but at the moment it is hard to know what to believe. Also why did David Kelly kill himself, if the reports of Saddam Hussain purchasing Uraniam from Africa were true, then David Kelly would have had no reason to be in such a "tissy" and want to kill himself.
Jacqueline
- Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 23:50:06 (PDT)
jkm My mother is from a British background, my father is from a German background, both Canadian. I'm Canadian. They are both in Europe at the moment and will be going to Durham.I went to a "fee paying school", where it was Lower School and Upper School.I suppose the equivalent of the old British way of "lower sixth and upper sixth" .
Not Posh
- Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 17:28:47 (PDT)
My dear Friend, This is one of the few nights my server would allow me into chatroom, waited till 11-00pm sorry you couldn't make it your Friend,
Your Friend
- Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 17:27:56 (PDT)
"Ture American" I was NOT bashing George Bush. In fact, I was a very strong supporter of Bush. I was very happy he was elected President rather than Al Gore. If you have read through previous postings, you will see that I have ALWAYS supported our President George W. Bush. (I have often come under sharp attack for it, I will have you know.) However, at the moment there are just a few questions to be raised about the credibility of our President's role in this Iraq situation - Along with Tony Blair. By the way, Blair's speech was outstanding! He is a remarkable speaker!
JKM
- Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 17:27:19 (PDT)
Not So Posh I repeat I am not against sex ed for children from the age of five to whatever but I don't think for one minute that any five year old child taking sex ed has any more of a chance of not being caught in any trap set by a sex predator or pervert than a five ,six etc child who has not been taught sex ed.Read your newspapers and see what is happening in this world grown women and yes even grown men are being abused and killed by these degenerates what chance does a young child have even with a degree in sex ed.To promote sex ed as a preventive measure against these types of people you are being misleading .If one parent takes your advice on this it will be a sin.Parents need to protect their children by constant monitoring,knowing every movement, every friend, every activity the child is involved in .
Miss Manners
- Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 17:26:31 (PDT)
I sincerely believe that life begins at conception and ends at death, or abortion, whichever comes first!
Wise One
- Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 17:25:28 (PDT)
Jacqueline, I believe that you inadvertently appended my name to your message to "Perre Spective" on July 18th @ 15-26-47 God Bless
Wise One
- Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 17:24:44 (PDT)
"Wise One" Why did you "copy" my response to "Perre Spective?"
JKM
- Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 17:24:03 (PDT)
From the news today: "North Korea poses the "most immediate and the most serious threat." What else is new in the news? Well...the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court is focusing on allowing Gay sex marriages to be legalized,It will most likely go to the Supreme Court for another hearing, which will most likley pass, unlike last month where it failed to be passed. Since then, many companies, cooporations have made issues over it saying it is "discrimination." People, I ask you - How normal is it to have the same sex marriages? If I had children I would not wish for my children to be exposed to that kind of "family" environmnet too much. How can people of the same sex produce children? But there again, look what we now have - Sperm banks, and "this and that" where you can now choose the genetics of your baby. I think we have just gone too far with this liberalisim. We are a society that is out of control - we are like very spoilt brats. Anyway, more sad new is that! another one of our soldiers have been killed today in Iraq. We need to pray for our world and for ourselves - we are just a mess!
JKM
- Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 17:23:28 (PDT)
Wise One, I think it is fair to say that we all know what parents "should" do, however for various reasons... religious stance, inability, many do not do what others think that they "should" do. I have problems with the word "should", encourage, may be a better word. Globally children appear to be abused by adults, whether as child soldiers, mental abuse, and physical abuse, often by the parents of said children. The home, ideally, is the best place to teach values realistically it is not happening. Extra resources ,in the form of instruction ,can only help not harm.There isn't an age when sex education is more, or less, appropriate. Sooner better than later is perhaps the best approach.
Not Posh
- Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 17:22:07 (PDT)
Jacqueline, When Jesus was on the Cross, he asked the Lord "Why hast thou forsaken me?" and here we have you forsaking your President in his time of need when he and PM Blair need all of our support. What they did was right! they have freed the People of Iraq and take my word for it a bigger threat to our freedom and the lives of our loved ones will come eventually, probably sooner than later, from North Korea and to a lesser extent from Iran. So I say to you, besides having pride in the Country of your Birth, also have pride in your Adopted Country. The whole of the "free World" needs to stand up and be counted now! Britain and America rely on each other! we cannot rely on the "chicken-hearted" French or Germans
Wise One
- Saturday, July 19, 2003 at 17:21:04 (PDT)
a few memories brought back with this one
broxon <warspite@aol.comm>
derwentside, durham england - Friday, July 18, 2003 at 15:28:13 (PDT)
"Perre Spective" Abortion as a means of birth control is so wrong indeed - it is murdering and that is not the answer to prevent teenage pregnancy. The answer is to educate and also to teach teenagers to wait until marriage before having sexual intercourse. If people would wait until they are married, there would indeed be less abortions. Jacqueline - Thursday, July 17, 2003 at 15:12:42 (PDT)
Wise One
- Friday, July 18, 2003 at 15:26:47 (PDT)
Oh, "Not Posh" I am trying to figure out if you are an American as you spell "apologize" the American way. But in one of your earlier postings you had said you did not go to a thing call a "high school." Americans refer to secondary school (or senior school) as "high school." So what nationality are you? I am just curious, and you don't haev to answer if you do not want to. Have a nice day! :)
jkm
- Friday, July 18, 2003 at 15:25:35 (PDT)
Jacquie or Jacqueline...whatever you prefer...in response to your comment regarding faith in President Bush...you state... "Well that is it! I think I am going to join the majority of my fellow British citizens..." By all means do join them...and move back...as the majority of them live in England you know. Nay sayers (IMMIGRANTS...be they here legally OR NOT...LOL) such as yourself are at the very heart of the perceived social discontent that we see all around us. Perhaps if more of you got on board and supported the very government you so frequently bash, the country would be much better indeed.
A True American
USA - Friday, July 18, 2003 at 15:24:45 (PDT)
"Not Posh" Thank you for your kind apologies. I know somtimes I instigate and "stir the pot" that it is probably easy to give me a "harsh" comeback at times. Anyway, JKM is rather fine with me - thank you for asking. Have a beautiful day.
JKM
- Friday, July 18, 2003 at 15:22:42 (PDT)
Wise one.....thanks for the names of the shafts.
Essare 7
- Thursday, July 17, 2003 at 15:22:03 (PDT)
Jacqueline in an earlier post it appeared that you were going to use the initials JKM. I thought that it was in response to the dangers that may exist in using a real name. Pehaps you could state your preference. If I have appeared to be harsh in my comments to you I apologize.
Not Posh
- Thursday, July 17, 2003 at 15:21:17 (PDT)
Well that is it! I think I am going to join the majority of my fellow British citizens and admit that at this point, I think I am losing all faith in our American President, George W. Bush. But there again, I am not sure of Al Gore, if he had made Presidency, wouldn't have made the same decisions as Bush. I am not sure if another President could have made better decisions refering to the Iraq War. I really did think it was all about ousting out Saddam Hussain, because of his level of threat to the world, due to him having Chemical and Biological weapons of mass destruction. Though he did use them on his own people. I hate to read each day that our soldiers are being killed by guerilla warfare attacks. I hate to read that our soldiers are going to have to be in Iraq for at least another 4 more years. I read that one of the soldiers who is currently in Iraq, had said, that if Donald Rumsfeld was there in Iraq, he would ask for his reginsation. There is very little lo! w morale among the soldiers. I am really feeling badly that I was one of the ones who supported this war. I did, because I really thought it was all about "weapons of mass destruction" and then, our soldiers would be out of Iraq very shortly after the war was over. I feel so very sad for the families who have lost a son, daughter, mother or father, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, cousin and friends. I am just not sure what the Bush administration is thinking at this time.
Jacqueline
- Thursday, July 17, 2003 at 15:20:36 (PDT)
Miss Manners, nice to see you back again, with a very valuable contribution! what you say is correct and should be taught to Children at a very early age by their Parents, prior to sex education.
Wise One
- Thursday, July 17, 2003 at 15:19:27 (PDT)
I was born in Seaham in 1950 and left what to me was a dead end place with 3 coal mines and docks. Well was I wrong, time changes things and I look forward to looking around the old place when I come over in 2004.
Jim Hogg <Hogwash@paradise.net.nz>
Paraparaumu, New Zealand - Thursday, July 17, 2003 at 15:18:15 (PDT)
Miss Manners Why do you think that it doesnt protect children from perverts/ predators? Many parents do try to street proof their children and many dont. Trained professionals are badly needed. I believe the difficulty is that many people misunderstand what sex education is in terms of teaching young children. The word sex probably wont even be mentioned. The things that you mention are the very things that will be taught. Sex education will help a child who is caught in the clutches of evil, training to detect the guise that it takes, what responses are necessary, how to avoid placing oneself in danger, how to escape if caught, what to do, what not to do. Sex education isnt really about where babies come from (sorry cant resistEngland, Africa) but about family life, health and well being, making wises choices, all things that need to be taught. Definitely the time has come that such things are taught not left to chance.
Not Posh
- Thursday, July 17, 2003 at 15:16:52 (PDT)
"Not Posh" Why is it that you and "Miss Manners" like to get on my case? I live my life very well - thank you. And I don't just go inflicting my religion on to others. What I do, do, is state my opinions. Anyway, have a nice day :)
Jacqueline
- Thursday, July 17, 2003 at 15:15:12 (PDT)
Since when has abortion been a method of contraception? answers on a postcard please........
Essare7
- Thursday, July 17, 2003 at 15:14:33 (PDT)
: "Perre Spective" Abortion as a means of birth control is so wrong indeed - it is murdering and that is not the answer to prevent teenage pregnancy. The answer is to educate and also to teach teenagers to wait until marriage before having sexual intercourse. If people would wait until they are married, there would indeed be less abortions.
Jacqueline
- Thursday, July 17, 2003 at 15:12:42 (PDT)
"Mel TingPoint" Thank you for your kind advice, in a very gentle manner. I get your point and case taken very well. Thank you. :)
Jacqueline
- Thursday, July 17, 2003 at 15:11:53 (PDT)
This site is really great! I love it. Nice greetings from Lastminute.
lastminute <lastminute>
Bonn, de Germany - Thursday, July 17, 2003 at 06:30:19 (PDT)
This site is really great! I love it. Nice greetings from Lastminute.
lastminute <lastminute>
Bonn, de Germany - Thursday, July 17, 2003 at 02:47:53 (PDT)
Okay "Not Posh" You may a point. I just get on my high horses with morals.
Jacqueline
- Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 14:44:54 (PDT)
"Not Posh" How do you know my name is JKM? I am thinking I may know you.
Jacqueline
- Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 14:44:20 (PDT)
Jackie,you are reet!!it is truly outrageous that girls as young as 13,14,and 15 are giving birth in Seaham and Disrict.Dont they listen to they're mothers??abortions have been available for years,and have been widely used as a method of contraception in the past!be told young un's
Perre Spective
- Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 14:43:48 (PDT)
i had to visit this site for school and think it has a lot of info on seaham
Craig Forrest
seaham, durham england - Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 14:42:34 (PDT)
'I just simply could not push Christianity onto my dear Jewish friends', however, you don't mind inflicting it on the Guest board guests. Many of the visitors are not Christians, so why sow seeds on barren ground? Most prisons are full of Christians, because it suits their purpose. I admire Methodists, Baptists, Catholics, Protestants, et al but those who scream Christian send a cold shudder down my spine. I've come across so many Christians, born again, whatever, that means, that I avoid ,because they come across as con guys and insincere.Why the need to say"I'm a Christian"? Anyone who needs to say that rather than the denomination that they belong to,protests too much. There's a couple of world leaders who use that same line as a cover for their actions.Drop the religous stance and just be Jacqueline. Most of us have our own religions which we cherish, but don't inflict our belief on others. Try it , you may find it a peaceful way of life.
Not Posh
- Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 14:41:04 (PDT)
It is extremely important for all young Children to receive at an early age, suitable sex education, in order to help to protect them from the many dangerous situations which can await them in childhood and indeed adult life too, also to warn them of the dangers of talking to strangers who could be perverts or worse! unfortunately the innocence of Children sometimes has too take second place to their safety, I find that sex education of Children is an embarrassment not to the Children, but to the Adults, that is to the Parents and G/Parents. At what age to start? as early as practicable, perhaps you're right Jacqueline, five years may be a little on the young side, seven or eight may be a better time! but I'm not an expert, just concerned that we do the right thing to protect and educate the Children.
Wise One
- Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 14:39:25 (PDT)
Did any one watch ‘Casualties of Peace’ on Monday night, channel 4? My grandson, young Geoff Gray from Seaham is one of those casualties. Please log on to justice4ptegeoffgray.co.uk and leave a few words of comfort for a Seaham family in distress. Regards TOM
Tom Moreland <dadmoreland1@aol.com>
London, - Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 14:38:18 (PDT)
To not so posh, I am not against sex ed for children but I do not think that it protects our children from perverts and predators.I believe it is up to parents to streetproof our kids.A predater is not going to come right out and talk sex to lure a child but he is going to use other means like candy, puppies,telling the kids that they parents sent him to get them .Sex ed is not going to help any child once they are in the clutches of evil.
Miss Manners
Canada - Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 14:37:13 (PDT)
I THINK THIS SITE IS QIUTE INTERESTING BUT IT NEEDS A BIT MORE EXICTMENT
VICKY CARRUTHERS
SEAHAM, DURHAM ENGLAND - Tuesday, July 15, 2003 at 14:35:53 (PDT)
Essare7 The shafts names were I believe Theresa and Castlereagh.
Wise One
- Monday, July 14, 2003 at 01:34:12 (PDT)
"Wise One" since when did you sttart to spell things the "American" way? EG: "Mom" the British spelling is "Mam" or "Mum." Anyway, not sure how to take that comment. Yes, you are right the "Red Sox" Baseball is a Yankee team (Boston.) How did you know that? Hope you are well. Maybe I will see you on "chat" line this Friday afternoon.
Jacqueline
- Monday, July 14, 2003 at 01:33:19 (PDT)
Jacqueline... you must be the dullest person in the world. All we get on this guestbook from you is innane drivel (with bad spelling). I'm really not having a personal attack on you Jacqueline (as many do) I'm trying to guide you into a less self opinionated mindset. Here in Seaham we like to ask eachother things on the guestbook like "have you seen blah, blah, blah" from Camden Square School, "hell did we have some fun there", do you remember when we..... you get my drift Jacqueline? Why don't you lower your moral highground for a while, dispense with the brimstone and thunder, and try to be, well, a bit more normal. I distinctly feel the mood towards you getting a bit cooler, so Jacqueline please, to preserve your dignity tone it down,
Mel Tingpoint <mt243@aol.com>
Reigate, Mozambique - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 01:32:35 (PDT)
"One Wise" Oh, now 1 hour later, now I think I get the joke about the "Yakee Fan" and the Red Sox" fan. The teacher first asked who was a "Yakee fan?" when the little girl said she was a Red Sox fan, etc.. then the teacher said, "Would that make you a moran.?" Then she said, "No, It makes me a "Yakee Fan!" Oh, yes, yes, yes, I get it now. Sometimes, things just go over my head! well.... anyway.. okay I am off for now. By the way, I had fun in New York this weekend. Byeee....
Jacqueline
USA - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 01:30:43 (PDT)
JKM It is necessary that young children be taught sex education. Evil people in the world ensnare children into their wicked world. Forewarned is forearmed. It has little, if anything, to do with religion, home life, wealth, poverty, right, or wrong. Education is the only way to protect our children from the predators among us. Be happy that it will become compulsory, indeed fight for it to happen in your neighborhood. Ignorance has never been a good thing. All children have a right to know how to protect themselves. It is adults that they must turn to for support, adults who have their best interest at heart. If sex education saves one child from a predator, then any time and money spent on such programs, is time and money very well spent.
Not Posh
- Monday, July 14, 2003 at 01:28:35 (PDT)
So I just read in the newspaper: "North Korea agrees to pursue a peaceful Solution" - We will see how long it lasts! That will be the next place we will be off fighting if Politicians are not careful. "Wars and rumors of Wars" Isn't that a Biblical predicition? Wait till the fall, when the summer fun is all over, I bet you things start heating up again. Anyway, y'all have a super weekend. I am off now to drive up to New York for the weekend. Take care and God Bless. "Wise One" don't be too cross - just get a grip! And follow your faith as your have been doing. You really are a nice guy (and I mean that.)I have no idea why your life has been the "mills" so to speak. (Unless you have allowed certain people to control your life - make your own decisions and be your own person. After all, it is "your" life - Well, "your life with God." Anyway, have a nice weekend, on my way to New York I usually pray the Rosary Beads in the car, so I will ask Our Blessed Mother to int! ercede for you too. Bye!
"Y'all know who"
USA - Monday, July 14, 2003 at 01:27:27 (PDT)
To: I have given up. As far as I am aware I have received no entries for you and therefore have not not entered them. Please check your entries are being forwarded.
Sadie Mason
- Saturday, July 12, 2003 at 15:59:12 (PDT)
"My friend" I waited for you on "chat" line from your time at 10.00pm ish, until 11.00pm. I was actually doing some flight research. Anyway, your friend "Berry" was on chat line, he was expecting you as you have some "Information" to give to him - (Address and phone numbers.) I guess your server was down, or you choose not to speak with me as I have a "big mouth!" Sorry! I have yet to learn the art of "silence!" I always just have to speak my mind. Anyway, hope you are okay.
"Your Friend"
- Saturday, July 12, 2003 at 15:53:18 (PDT)
Does anyone know what the girls nickname for the two shafts at Dawdon Pit were called?
Essare7
- Saturday, July 12, 2003 at 15:52:17 (PDT)
I read in the Guardian UK Newspaper (online) that sex education for five years old children in the UK should be "Compulsory!" Oh! I am sickened! Why are we taking the innocence out of our children? A five years old child is just a little girl or boy, still practically a baby and the educational board in the UK wants to teach 5 yrs old about sex education! Oh my goodness! What are we, as a "liberal" society, doing to our children? Where are the Biblical principles? Why are we not teaching our children to perserve their dignity and body until marriage? Why are we not teaching our children to have respect for themselves, and to realize the importance of how "sacred" intercourse really is. It is a Sacrament of Love between two adults - male and female. Oh, I am just so tired of all this "liberalisim" and "anything goes, so to speak attitude. No wonder our children are messed up! with lack of family values. I heard from a friend the other day, that in Seaham kids are ha! ving babies at age 13,14,15, and so on and so forth. Are parents in Seaham not teaching their children to preserve their dignity and self respect? Of course, it is not just like that in Seaham it is all over the world. People have forgot what the Bible teaches and haev thrown away all morals. What a liberal society we live and how sad!
Jacqueline
- Saturday, July 12, 2003 at 15:51:17 (PDT)
"Not Posh" I just simply could not push Christianity onto my dear Jewish friends. I would not want for them to try to convince me that Jesus is not our Savior - when I know very well, without a doubt that he is our Savior. He sits at the right side of God The Father in Heaven and we have eternal life with him after our life is over here on earth. I have never once doubted that, now will I ever. I sure wish my Jewish friends would accept Jesus, but they don't, however, they accept the same "God" as we do. Also, I did not at all hide my faith, I just wanted to be respectful to my friends. Ruth and Avee, know I am a strong Christian, but their friends really do not know me too well and I did not want to appear as being "pushy" with my faith. Some Jewish are afraid of Christians who want to just conform the whole world to Christianity. I speak out very forthright in regards to my faith, it has often got me into trouble, but I am hesitant to push it too much on others. ! I made that mistake and it did not go too far. I would rather bring people to Jesus by making an extra effort to try to follow the example of Mother Teresa. (Let us just say, "Another one of life's lessons learned from an experience that did not go too well.") We cannot always be as "wise" as you, or as "Wise One" some of us are a little naive at times. (regardless of age!)
Jacqueline
- Saturday, July 12, 2003 at 15:48:47 (PDT)
INTERESTING SITE IF ONLY PEOPLE WOULD USE IT AS A TOOL TO FIND OUT MORE ABOUT SEAHAM. MY QUESTION IS CAN ANYONE TELL ME ALL THE PUBS IN SEAHAM IN THE 50,S PLEASE SEND ME ANY INFORMATION YOU CAN. I WAS IN CANADA FOR 28 YEARS 70 TIL 1998 SO IF ANYONE WANTS TO GET IN TOUCH THEY ARE QUITE WELCOME BOB
BOB THOMPSON <BOB1559@AOL.COM>
SUNDERLAND, TYNE AND WEAR - Saturday, July 12, 2003 at 15:46:49 (PDT)
"Wise One" what are you up to these days? Skoot me an e-mail....
your Friend
- Saturday, July 12, 2003 at 15:45:09 (PDT)
So the Political News is heating up these days. Well.. I am just not sure if I need to show some "humility" here.... and admit, that I am just not sure what I think of President Bush anymore and the War in Iraq. I do agree that we could no longer allow Saddam Hussain to continue to torture and kill his own people with Biological and Chemical weapons; as well as be a threat to the rest of the world. But now I am just not sure I like the idea our troops may have to be over in Iraq for the next 4 years. They are being targeted at practically every day - at the moment. It is costing billions each month for our troops to be there - I would like to know where all this money is coming from?! I am not sure his trip to Africa is going over too well. I think people, at this point in time, I may have been wrong about George Bush - (whoops!)
Jacqueline
- Saturday, July 12, 2003 at 15:44:31 (PDT)
I am trying to grt hold of Ed Mason reference the possibility of obtainig a Heritage Centre in Seaham. I have some information you might like to read. Many thanks - Julie
Julie Davis <julie2033@yahoo.com>
Seaham, - Saturday, July 12, 2003 at 15:42:46 (PDT)
Jacqueline, pleased you've taken up sport by watching the baseball, which reminds me of the following story. There is a 1st grade class. The teacher asks the class, "Who here is a Yankees fan?". Everyone but one little girl raises their hand. The teacher is shocked. "What are you a fan of then?" she asks. "The Red Sox," answers the girl. The teacher, still shocked, asks, "Why are you a Red Sox fan?". The little girl says, "My mom is a Red Sox fan and my dad is a Red Sox fan, so I am a Red Sox fan. So then the teacher asks her, "If your mom were a moron and your dad were a moron, what would YOU be?". She says, "A Yankee fan!".
Wise One
- Saturday, July 12, 2003 at 15:41:11 (PDT)
Mary from USA, The first thing on George Bush's agenda was on TV tonight, he went to see two Elephants mating! honest its true.
Wise One
- Thursday, July 10, 2003 at 15:50:51 (PDT)
"Wise One" Furthermore, if I am good enough for you to communicate with me via this G/B (which is embarrassing, as the whole world gets to know my business, which makes me realize that "Not Posh" is very wise - everyone does not need to know everyone's business. I am just way too "Naive and Trusting" and forget that the world is not all "Hearts and Flowers.") Anyway, if you consider me a friend to communicate with on this G/B Why is it that you can't e-mail me? No! Wise One" I have decided, I have much more dignity than to just be friends a "secret" all because you are too afraid of what others may say.( you know who I am referring to.) I guess I am just miffed this evening, I did something really sweet, as I did last year, with the "Texas Blue-Bell" flower seeds, and it gets thrown in my face. I have "turned the cheek" One Millions times - and it is hurtful. But there again, What would Jesus do? What would Mother Teresa Do? They both would continue to love and be ! kind. Maybe someday we can be friends without you being too afraid. I hope you get your gift at somepoint.Try to make an effort to do that - thank you. Bye... love always, "Me"
"your friend"
- Thursday, July 10, 2003 at 15:48:43 (PDT)
Dear Friend, Will try to make it, but I do have probs with my server at that time in the evening, but look forward to trying
Wise One
- Thursday, July 10, 2003 at 15:47:04 (PDT)
Well Jacqueline, hiding the articles of your faith makes it sounds as though you are ashamed of it, can you say hypocrisy? You have so little respect for your friends that you think that they wish you to deny your own faith? You just finished saying that you don’t conform to others then you decide to insult the intellect of your friends by doing just that. Don’t Christians have a mandate to go out and spread the Word, or is it only adhered to when they are in a similar group?
Not Posh
- Thursday, July 10, 2003 at 15:46:22 (PDT)
Nice designed and informative page ! greetings, Sue
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Switzerland - Thursday, July 10, 2003 at 15:45:38 (PDT)
"Not Posh" then you are rather "wise" yourself - I suppose we all ought to learn a valuable lesson from you. I guess I have been rather "naive" and trusting when it comes to the internet - though, that has always been my downfall - too naive and trusting and chitter-chatter about "this and that" dribble at times. But oh well! That is me! I like to think the world is all filled with "hearts and flowers" and everyone kind, gentle and loving... Of course, we all know that is not how the world is - unfortunately. Have a nice day.
Jkm
- Thursday, July 10, 2003 at 15:44:30 (PDT)
Hi....I studied at Grimsby College of Technology from 1981-82. I would like to contact my former tutor, Mr Andrew Gulliver who (at that time) lives at 15 Danesfield Ave, Waltham, Grimsby, Sth Humberside DN37 0PZ. He has 3 daughters - Diana, Joy & Honor and Avril is his wife. Please help...!
Norzailina Nordin <norzailina@yahoo.com>
kuala lumpur, selangor malaysia - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 17:19:37 (PDT)
Hello.. Well, I wasted $30.00 purchasing Hillary Clinton's Book "Living History." What I should have done was donated the $30.00 to the Church and had Mass said for both Hillary and Bill Clinton. I have decided that as much as I would want to see a woman President for America, I do not wnat to see Hillary Clinton be President in 2008. She is all for bringing in the One World Government, which from a global business perspective, is fine, but morally and from a Christian (and Jewish perspective) it is not good at all. Though, I do not believe this One World Government may come about as we all have to remember that ultimately, GOD IS IN CONTROL! :) I think I do fine just sticking my my own convictions and not ever trying to conform to others just because society says so! I am fine being a reserved/conservative Roman Catholic and I am happy about it too and with myself for who I am. Okay everyone, who is Politically Conservative, please don't waste $30.00 on purchasing! Hillary Clinton's book, "Living History" use the money to give to charity or to purchase a Christian book. Have a super day everyone!
Jacqueline
USA - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 17:17:11 (PDT)
: I have just came back from spending Friday afternoon until just three hours ago in a very strict Orthdox Jewish Community, in Baltimore, Maryland. I visited my dear friends of whom I met in Germany 13 years ago - we stayed in touch all these years. My visit was beautiful! As always my friends put on an incredibly delicious Shabbot Meal (Sabbath) with such grace and reverance for Hasham (God.) I attended with my friends Shoal (Synagague)As always we had some really neat discussions on the similarities of our Religions as well as our conservative/reserved ways of thinking and of raising children all due to the closeness we each have toward our own faiths. (She Jewish, myself Roman Catholic) I want to share with you that out of respect for my friends and their community in which they live, before I went to visit them, I knew that I was going to be going with the family to the Syngague, as well as to the BaseBall game with their Synagague group. Therefore, as I was alr! eady aware of their custom of how they dress, I did not want to draw attention to myself, if I had decided to wear the usual shorts and t-shirt (summer clothing) to the baseball game, which was indeed in 98 Degree weather! I had asked my friend what would be the appropriate clothing to not only wear at the Baseball game, also the whole weekend, as their Sabbath is from Friday sunset, until Saturday sunset. She explained to me that they dress very reserved, married ladies cover their hair, they wear skirts or dressed almost down to their ankles and always wear stockings. They wear blouses or tops that always come to the elbow, if not, covering the whole arm. Out of respect, I made sure the whole weekend I dressed in a similar manner, except I did not wear the stockings - it was just too hot! I was also careful about not drawing too much attention to my necklace of my cross, and our Blessed Mother, and of Saint Joseph and Saint Benedict. I made sure it was undearneath my blou! se, especially at "Shoal" where I would be around Jewish people whom t he cross signifies some hard feelings for some Jews. I wanted to share this whith you, only because I now remember at the beginning of the Iraq War, or there abouts there was an American service woman, who made such a fuss about the fact that she had to cover herself whilst she was in Saudi Arabia, as it is not their custom for woment o be revealing themselves. I did not have to dress in a similar manner to my Jewish friends this weekend, as first we are in American, and second, I am Christian and it is not my custom to dress in their manner. However, I did, out of RESPECT for my friends and for their Religion as Jews. Additionally, (important to share)it is also their custom for Jewish men never to shake the hand of a woman if she is not their wife, or wife to be. This is not out of disrespect to women, this is indeed the oppoiste, they have so much respect for women, that not shaking hands with a woman, especially, an attractive woman, does not cause the "eye" of a man to ! sin. (What you don't shake hands with, it is not easy to sleep with her.) This is also the case in the Islamic faith; which is why Islamic men do not shake hands with women other than their own wife or wife to be. Though, it is questionable if men of the Islamic faith have the same level and degree of respect and love for their women as the orthodox Jewish men have for their women. My friend and I discussed that it is also NOT possible for parents of the two faiths to raise their children both ways, as it confuses the children. And indeed it does! The Jews do not accept Jesus, or the Virgin Birth, Christians do accept Jesus and the Virgin Birth, that is the whole basis we separated from Judiasiam. There were many discussion we had, from our faiths, to why it is that Jews are persecuted and that is for another posting tomorrow evening, as I am rather tired this evening.(Excuse the spelling, very tired!)
Jacqueline
USA - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 17:15:05 (PDT)
Hello. I went to Seaham Comprehensive. I still have family in Seaham. My parents were Pat and Sally Foley. I am related to Stuart and Carole Brown and Keith and Jenny Corner. If anyone would like to contact me that would be lovely. littlebearenterprises@hotmail.com
Sarah Johnson (nee Foley) <littlebearenterprises@hotmail.com>
Broadstairs, Kent UK - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 17:11:29 (PDT)
hello. i am looking to move to the seaham area now i have finally graduated and wondered if anyone knows how i can find a good 3 bedroomed property to rent until i buy? thanks.
julie thoburn <jules4444@hotmail.com>
keighley, england - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 17:10:01 (PDT)
Imwould like to know about the book that published about the mather mine explosion in 1928. My grandfather was killed in that explosion. any and all information will be appreciated thank you
Walter Shoenberger III <LTCUSA81353@aol.com>
Shippingport, Pa Usa - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 17:08:30 (PDT)
Oh Dear! Whatever can we do to relieve the plight of the Ozzies and all those expats who now support them? First we whop them at Rugby and now Wor Leyton is given the order of the boot at Wimbleton. We should send a full crate of Tissues at once. Australia is flooded with tears because 'Our Leyton' got rolled first up. I might need just one packet to wipe my tears away - tears of delight. One things for sure! They (the Ozzies) have yet to learn how to lose gracefully.
Wise One
- Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 17:07:05 (PDT)
Wise One, you have lived up to your name.I've taken an internet class which outlined the do's and don'ts of the net. It is a must for any internet user, especially if there are children in the home.Everyone leaves traces behind as they go surfing, also robots scan the web every day to harvest information.Use the Boy Scout's motto!
Not Posh
- Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 17:06:12 (PDT)
MY Friend" Don't forget this Friday - lets try to visit.
Your Friend
- Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 17:05:28 (PDT)
greetings from germany ! very nice website ! best wishes, Pete
webkatalog <peter@wiesnerts.de>
no, no germany - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 17:04:53 (PDT)
My brother Robert Henry, along with his wife Brenda, moved to Salisbury almost 40 years ago. My Wife and I visited last year and enjoyed our stay. We will be going back soon we hope. Your site is very infomative, thank you.
Michael Joseph Griffen <mbgriffin16@hotmail.c0m>
Jarrow, Tyne and Wear England - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 17:03:26 (PDT)
"Wise One" Hi there, how are you? I hope you are well. Well, as I get tired of reading your "rantings" over Rugby! I think I will share with you about the BaseBall game I went to this past Sunday afternoon (June 29th) The Baltimore Oriols (State of Maryland)were playing the Philidelphia Philies (State of Pennsylvania)The game was Awesome! The weather was nice and hot! of 98 degrees! (Good ol' Texas weather - Yes!) Anyway, as Pennsylvania was the first state I lived in, I was rooting for the "Philidelphia Philies" and you will never guess what? They won! Yes!!!! The score was 4-3. I was a happy little camper! I also had my unhealthy greasy Hot-Dog, which is the only time I ever eat one of those things, when I am at Baseball games or at other sport games, otherwise, those hotdog things are nothing but "Yuko" garbage! Anyway, wanted to share with you the score of Baseball, as you love to share with us the scores of Rugby. Oki-doki everyone... have a super day! And Smi! le! :)
Jacqueline
USA - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 17:01:16 (PDT)
Who wants to discuss George Bush's visit to Africa? What is his adgenda? IS it a genuine sincere visit, or is there a hidden adgenda?
Mary
USA - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 16:59:56 (PDT)
I was born in Seaham and my parents (Jean and David Lanaghan) and grandfather (Arthur Galilee) are still living there. It's great to be able to feel I still have links with Seaham through your guestbook. Even though I've lived in Melbourne for 29 years, I still treasure my formative years growing up in the North East. I have been back to Seaham on occasional visits, and must say that each time I return, I see a great improvement, especially along the sea front area. I'm also planning to return in 2004 for a holiday again.
Pauline Waters <watersclan@austarmetro.com.au>
Glen Waverley, Victoria Australia - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 16:58:22 (PDT)
Seaham is mint there needs to be a more nightlife
James O'Connor
Seaham, Durham England - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 16:56:18 (PDT)
oops....i don't think i've got the hang of this yet! Help!!!!!
Dee
Seaham, Durham England - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 16:54:38 (PDT)
It seems to me that this site is only for certain individuals i.e. Markie etc. I have submitted various comments and they have still not been shown. They were not rude or abusive. Come on Mr. Mason stop been so choosy.
I have given up
London, - Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 16:47:51 (PDT)
David. John probably married Elizabeth Charlton September Quarter 1898 Easington District. You may know which religion , thus deciding which church in Seaham Harbour.
Not Posh
- Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 16:46:36 (PDT)
David. John 22 b 1879 Margate. Elizabeth 21 b1880 Ruddymoor Durham.Catherine 1 b 1900 Seaham Harbour.Emma 3mths b1901 Shotton. Census place Thornley. 1881 CENSUS. Will give you family of John, maiden name of Elizabeth a little harder, however,Ruddymoor is an unusual name, so just put in Elizabeth, no surname, hope that Ruddymoor shows up. I hope that this is helpful to you
Not Posh
- Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 16:46:01 (PDT)
Attention David. It is Catherine Dadd, born June quarter 1899, Easington Registration District.Would you like me to find her parents,siblings if any? I don't mind giving it a whirl.
Not Posh
- Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 16:45:16 (PDT)
Deb, I'm not Lee. I'm interested in Seaham, as my ancestors are from the area. I didn't attend school in Seaham.
Not Posh
- Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 16:44:35 (PDT)
David go to the Free BMD, type in the name your are searching, use Easington as the location as it was the registration district for the date you are interested in. Check the 1881,at the LDS ,1901 census' which are both on line,use the census tool for the 1901.Whistle if you need any help.
Not Posh
- Wednesday, July 09, 2003 at 16:43:25 (PDT)
PLEASE NOTE: The Seaham Harbour Online Guestbook will NOT be updated during the period 24th June to 9th July 2003. This is due to essential update and site maintainance work. HOWEVER anything submitted during this period will be added to the Guestbook as soon as possible afterwards. We are sorry for this inconvenience and look forward to reading your submissions after the 9th July.
Ed Mason - Seaham Harbour Online <mace@daltonet.com>
Seaham, Co.Durham UK - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 17:16:41 (PDT)
Excellent site ! I am fascinated by all things Seaham having attended Northlea School 1967-1972 . However I am also researching my family tree and need some information as follows ; Firstly, my Dad ,George HASTINGS ,played for Dawdon around about 1960. Has anyone a photograph of the Dawdon team ( Wearside League ) from that period ? Secondly can anyone recall anybody by the name of HASTINGS living in Seaham . There is a branch of the family we have lost and Seaham has cropped up . Any help would be greatly appreciated .
Brian Hastings <whitburnwarrior@ol.com>
Whitburn, Tyne & Wear UK - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 17:07:50 (PDT)
Hi. What a lovely site. I was wondering if anyone in Seaham could tell me how to look up birth records for Seaham. I'm told that my maternal grandmother, Katherine (or Catherine) Dadd was born there, probably around 1900. Thanks for any pointers. /DDD
David Davis <stagh0rn@yahoo.com>
Chelmsford, Mass USA - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 16:05:22 (PDT)
Oh Deborah, we were at Northlea School from the fall of 1982 until the summer (which is July in England given the weather) of 1985. Prior to that we were at SMS school from the fall of 1980 to the summer of 1982. I have an amazing memory for dates, times and also for quoting people.
Jacqueline
- Monday, June 23, 2003 at 16:03:51 (PDT)
Deborah, that is okay, I know you have always called me "Jackie" and never called me "Jacqueline." You ought to feel honored that you are the only one I allow to call me "Jackie." If I do refer to myself as "Jackie" I spell it the French way.. "Jacquie." ................. Anyway, school days! Cookery with Mrs. Kenworthy and baking those Bloody "Victoria" Sandwich cakes. Remember when Trudie James ate a whole raw egg? Then was sick afterwards! Math with Mrs. Carney. My "cat-fight" with Anne Marie Swan (I think I had a few with her.) Yes, I remember that guy with the long hair, but can't think of his name off hand. I remember Assemblies when I was always chosen to read and then I was made fun of afterwards for speaking "Posh!" (There is that word again!) Oh, Debs, whatever happened to Jean Pybuss? Do you ever hear from her, as well as Lesley Knight, Lorna Baker, Julie Robinson and Gwen Oliver. I told you that I keep in touch with Kimberely Dobson via e-mail she keeps! in touch with Dianne Ogden. Remember little Bobby Mather? What is he doing now and Deborah, hope you don't mind, but whatever happened to your "high-school" "crush" guy - "Neil Miliam?" Oh, I know, do you ever still keep in touch with Deborah Henderson - what is she doing? And you have got to remember the girl who, when we would ask her the time, she would say she did not have her watch on, and then, she would draw a watch on her hand, and tell us the time. (I remember her name, but do not ever wish to embarrass her of our school days, as I am not a one to talk. I was a Royal Pain in the Bottom!)I remember all those "tangerines" and "Bananna's" I use to always bring to school to eat at break times, whilst you guys were buying chips (crisps) at the tuck shop. I would always be feeding my face with hords of tangerines. Oh, would'not you know it, up until about five years ago, I still use to eat baked beans and eggs for breakfast! I still love to eat - But I now watch my weig! ht. I now eat all Organic foods, work out and just watch what I eat.I guess I am afraid of "aging." Anyway, Deborah, I skooted you an e-mail, so that we can arrange a time to speak with each other via telephone. It is cheaper for me to call you. Hope to talk to you soon. Have a Super day tomorrow.
Jacqueline
- Monday, June 23, 2003 at 16:03:08 (PDT)
Dear Not Posh, you wouldnt by any chance happen to be Lee would you?? Very intreeged to know??
debs <debmac1@btopenworld.com>
- Monday, June 23, 2003 at 16:00:49 (PDT)
Tom Morland, You have missed completely the point made by "Not Posh" This is an "open guestbook" and there are a lot of People out there, who spend all day surfing the net looking for email addresses and relating data, which they sell on, leading to spam and more spam, I think most people who've put their emails online in one shape or form, now realise this. So my advice is simple, Adults and in particular Children should refrain from doing so.
Wise One
- Monday, June 23, 2003 at 15:59:59 (PDT)
I wonder if any of our old school teachers read this "goofy" Guest Book - Bloody Hell, I can just hear them say, "There goes that Jacqueline Markie running her mouth off again and getting herself into issues." Deborah, you said in one of your last messages that I will always be the same "Jackie" you once knew......... Well.... I am not so sure about that. Yes, I am still "goofy" and you should see me when I have just two glasses of wine! I am just a "goof-ball!" But, I am really not "Jackie" you once knew - I just can't be! Not 17 years later. I need to come home for 2005 so we can have our 20th High School Reunion. It sure would be fun!
Jacqueline
- Monday, June 23, 2003 at 15:58:42 (PDT)
Markie.... why oh why do you subject us to your boring, pious, inconsequential ramblings day after day after day. I have no doubt you are the paragon of virtue, the nicest of the nice, an angel even, but please stop boring us with your "Alistair Cooke" from America. My family and I own a house in America, I have lived in America, I love America, but I do not regale ad nauseam about it's minutest detail. Look Markie...you're a good sort... anyone who has read this guest book more that once can tell that... just don't go for overkill....you're making yourself look silly, and convincing Seaham folk all over the world to not contribute. There now... enough said about that.
Pete Zahutt <pz@aol.com>
Berlin, Deutschland - Monday, June 23, 2003 at 15:57:41 (PDT)
"They next play the All Blacks in Wellington on 14th June this year,but the AB's will field a full-strength team, and will bury England. World Cup to England? Dream on sunshine, you are playing in Australia! etc" These are the words of an expat printed earlier in the guestbook! wonder what they're thinking now? slumber on down-under boys.
Wise One
- Monday, June 23, 2003 at 15:55:51 (PDT)
Tom I think that the surprise is yours, it is a guest book, however, it is being used as a chat board. You may not have noticed that the guests have changed its purpose. Tom you are using it as a chat board. You don’t leave a message but have a conversation. Joan it was on BBC News last week, and in numerous newspapers, which I read on Drudge. The reason that I mentioned it was to make a point; none of us know who is reading, posting to guest books and chat boards. Perhaps a google search will bring up the article. It wasn’t a secret. Jacqueline you have no idea who I am, we have never met, and probably never will. I never went to anything called a High School. Tom you are taking your hat off to me, I'm involved in many after work, community services. Most people just don't feel the need to mention it to others, thus it is impossible for others to know... Many people go about volunteer work quietly, without fanfare, and with no expectation of reward or praise. It is done in community spirit.
Not Posh
- Monday, June 23, 2003 at 15:53:48 (PDT)
Oh.. Deborah, one thing that may not have changed about me is that I was a "target" in school for being made fun of (picked at) and it seems that I just can't get away from that over there in Seaham on this Guest-Book - I am still bloody well picked at! Though, at least now I can smile about most of the the things y'all say about me. I can smile at my short-comings as we all have them! None of us are perfect. I am for one, am NOT and never profess to be perfect. Though, unlike school days, when I was a little "minnie timid mouse" Now I speak my mind. I also now enjoy African Art, and African Music, as Well as Celtic Music,and Bluegrass music. I love Tennessee (to visit, not to live.) And love the Civil War history. Religion and Politics, well, that is a given! In Texas I was a member of the Republican Women's Association.I will most likely get involved in something like that in New York, though after reading Hilary Clinton's book, "Living History" I may turn Democr! at - I think she would make an incredible American President. Though, I disagree with her pro-choice stand and some of her other liberals ways, otherwise, I think she ought to run for President in 2008. Though I am fond of George W. Bush, I am thinking that Richard Gephard may have a good chance of winning against Bush. I was an attended at Richard Gephard's fundraising last summer in Austin. It was interesting. Anyway... I have got to get going, it is 7.15pm and I am on my way into the city to the Irish pub there is a band playing. Yes, Deborah, I am very much into my Irish part of my blood heritage. I am thinking this fall, I am going to take Irish dancing class - hey, that is an excellent way to keep in shape! Okay, talk to you all later.
Jacqueline
- Monday, June 23, 2003 at 15:52:26 (PDT)
Dear Not Posh. It may come as a surprise to you but this is a guest room, and not a chat room. People who visit here hope to know whom they are taking to in the first instance. If you are not confident enough in yourself to admit who you are then you should read, but not submit an article. The things you state make good sense on the WWW but are irrelevant on these pages. Regards TOM
Tom Moreland <dadmoreland1@aol.com>
LOndon, - Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 16:07:26 (PDT)
Hello again to everyone out there. Just wondering if anyone else out there remembers the years at Northlea School from 1983-1986. Was the best ever. We had such a laugh!!!Can u remember any of the teachers??? Some of them are teaching there still and I often chat to them and they also remember how daft we once were. Yes thanks for reminding me Jackie about Mr MacNeeney, we certanly had a few laughs in his class, Im actually laughtng myself stupid at this moment thinking about it. Can u remember when that boy with the long blond hair(I cant remember his name at the moment) well he pinched a rat from the freezer in Chemistry and he ATE it!Mr Cousins was all in a fuss and didnt know what to do. He is still around and I still see him at school and he often goes out in Sunderland. Miss Ord is still teaching she is so cool i really think shes the tops. Theres loads of them still left which doesnt make us feel so old, not just yet anyway!Hello Wise One also. I now! know who U are. I see Paul Morris sometimes writes in but doesnt say much.Anyway if anyone out there remembers the good times from school write in and lets have a good laugh and re-live our youth! Take care everyine, Debs.Ps I know you like being called your full name Jackie but Iv never called you by it so dont be offended by me calling you Jacks. Take Care love Debs
debs <debmac1@btopenworld.com>
seaham, durham england - Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 16:06:14 (PDT)
I hear from Miss Markie that you have to be good at litrature to appear on this page or Miss Manners will be 'ON MY CASE' SorryMiss Manners if I have mis-spelled anything out of order. Personally I dont think you are to bad (ONLY IN JACKIES CASE) and she hates me calling her that! Sorry Jacks,Must have had one glass of wine too many when I was writing,thats my excuse anyway. My O Levels,A Levels and Degree dont stand a chance when Iv had a drink and it was a Saturday night,so Iv got a good excuse!Come on everyone out there bring some new News to this website were all dying for some new faces!!!!!
debs <debmac1@btopenworld.com>
- Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 16:04:07 (PDT)
England/Australia - 'nuff said!
Not Thomas Johnson
- Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 16:02:54 (PDT)
"Tom Morland" The times on the computers must be messed up. Because I did wait for my "friend" until my computer time and my watch timeid!
Not Thomas Johnson
- Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 16:02:54 (PDT)
"Tom Morland" The times on the computers must be messed up. Because I did wait for my "friend" until my computer time and my watch time said 5.50pm Friday afternoon.(10.50pm UK time.) Then, I immediately posted him a message. So I don't know what the deal is.
a friend of a friend
- Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 16:02:22 (PDT)
To everyone on this Guest-book. I am taking a break from it for a few weeks. It is getting out of hand. No-one should ever have to feel the need to justify his/her work or have to feel the need to defend themeselves to the point of explaining their lives. "Not Posh" there is not at all a case of "Sybil Syndrome" (I have my suspicions of who you are and you are very cunning.) Are we all still in High School? It seems "Not Posh" is someone rather cunning, "Miss Manners" gives everyone a hard time. "Wise One" and "Tom Morland" get into silly disagreements. Others on the G/B are sick and tired of all of us "bickering!" And I for one, am tired of being a "target" by a few people, particularly "someone" ... This is the summer and a time for a break for all. .................. Have a great summer everyone.
Jacqueline
- Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 16:01:33 (PDT)
So "Not Posh" I assume you have connections to know the police recently used friends Reunited to track down some people of a particular school. Interesting that you would bring up that subject.
Joan also Canada
- Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 16:00:16 (PDT)
Im a Celtic supporter Wise One.
Scotland Forever
- Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 15:59:21 (PDT)
Tom Moreland, Why don't you ask your Grandson to explain it to you, I say this without malice and without wishing to cause you any offence whatsoever, and Tom when People "discuss" my ID, I never confirm, or deny anything!
Wise One
- Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 15:58:42 (PDT)
"Thanks Wise one I can be on the chat line after 5.00pm Canada time,9.00pm Seaham Harbour time.This is regarding the Berry family in Seaham Harbour. Denis Berry" Denis can usually make it most Mondays & 9-00pm UK time
Wise One
- Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 15:58:03 (PDT)
Dear ‘Wise One’, touché. Any person, who works with children teaching them to be self-sufficient and how to be good citizens, has my fullest respect. My two boys attended scouts but I never helped out in any way. My only feeble excuse is that, I was too tired after a hard days work. It never crossed my mind that, other people were looking after my boys after ‘their’ hard days’ work! Well done, and keep up the good work; I take my hat of to you, and all others who give up their free time for the good of the community. Regards TOM
Tom Moreland <dadmoreland1@aol.com>
London, - Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 15:57:20 (PDT)
I hate being picky but could someone explain how you can wait for someone till 10.50pm (22.50hrs), then post a note on the guest book at 5.04pm (17.04hrs). Also how can your server be down till 10.50pm (22.50hrs), yet you still manage to post a note on the guest book at 5.07pm (17.07hrs). Someone has either dropped a clanger, or I am being to fussy. Regards TOM
Tom Moreland <dadmoreland1@aol.com>
London, - Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:31:46 (PDT)
I hate being picky but could someone explain how you can wait for someone till 10.50pm (22.50hrs), then post a note on the guest book at 5.04pm (17.04hrs). Also how can your server be down till 10.50pm (22.50hrs), yet you still manage to post a note on the guest book at 5.07pm (17.07hrs). Someone has either dropped a clanger, or I am being to fussy. Regards TOM
Tom Moreland <dadmoreland1@aol.com>
London, - Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:31:41 (PDT)
John Alfred Spencer The first rule of the internet is NOT to give out your real name and email addy on a board that is used for chatting.Only the web master should have access to such information. It is very easy to track somebody on line if such information is given. It is just a matter of googling, to come up with snail mail addy, address, telephone #'s etc. This is a very important message to give to children, indeed many sites will only accept a child's information if it is verified as being allowed by the parents or guardians. Not using your real name isn't a question of hiding behind a mask, but a device used for self protection. If you really want me to have a name you may call me Tommie, or Billy, or Betty, or Susie,or whatever. Many people may give a name, in order that others may "talk" to them but it is rarely their real name.The police recently used friends Reunited to track down people of a particular school. The internet can be a warm and fuzzy plac! e but is just as likely to be cold and prickly.
Not Posh
- Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:30:32 (PDT)
Deborah.. well done! I am glad another person is speaking up about my "taking over" this guest-book. It was never my intend to "take over" this guest-book, but for whatever reason, everyone jumps on me, and meks direct comment to me, and about me.. therefore, I respond back and it just goes one from there... So please, evryone Listen to Deborah and others, and just leave me alone! Thank you.
peaceful quiet Jacqueline
- Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:29:13 (PDT)
Miss Manners, you say that you can "give it and take it" but your letter is a complete contradiction of what you state, yes you can give it (a wee bit) but TAKE IT ? no way! When did you ever apologise for your being perpetually in the wrong? You have, it seems an acid tongue, perhaps you should see a "shrink" (can't spell physcologist) I'd love to "listen in" whilst you're on the couch though!
Wise One
- Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:28:21 (PDT)
Observer, I am sure that Jacqueline is a wonderful Nanny and Nanny's do teach Children many things prior to their Schoolyears, including good behavior and helping them prepare for the wonderful life awaiting them, so is a Nanny a Teacher? I would say so.
Wise One
- Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:27:39 (PDT)
"Phil E Buster" I am not sure if God could not find a Virgin in Seaham - I know some are there - ther had better be as there are girls under the age of 18 years old. Anyway, I did not know there was a "Garmish" in Switzerland. There is a "Gstaad" in Switzerland and a "Garmish" in Germany - I know that because I have been to both countries and spent four years in Germany.
Jacqueline
- Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:26:46 (PDT)
Wow! What a great result by our Rugby Lads beating the Australians on their own patch at last after 10 previous defeats, the result? 25-14 to England. I'm sure that those expats in Oz and NZ who now support, it seems the Ozzies and AllBlacks, will have already beat me to the Punch and have their congratulations on this Guestbook before I have? THe Lads were magnificent in victory as the Ozzies were in defeat, lets thank both sides for a great game, played in a truly competative way.
Wise One
- Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:25:40 (PDT)
I look in from time to time to pick up news of Seaham people near and far, old and young,and interesting. Instead I find the GB crammed full of the contributions of about five people who have spoilt it for everyone else. No wonder there are no new contributions these days. I suppose they are all like me, bored with it for another three or four months. Interestingly, they cannot seem to differentiate between a GB, Chat Room or Forum or even private e-mail. Imagine being someone who hogs the mike, talks longer or louder.
Passant Regardant
- Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:24:58 (PDT)
Jackie. Thank you so much for your e-mails. I am finding it really hard to contact you. Iv tried E-mailing you dozens of times and cant seem to get throuhj to you. I think my network provider is not compattible with yours. PLEASE PLEASE dont think i was critecising you. Jackie I am very fond of you and have the most great asmiration for you. Believe me I COULDNT have done what you have done. You have acchieved more than any one us us who were friends together. Its just that I have been a regular reader of the guestbook for some time now and i feel you sometimes let people take advantage of you. You dont have to defend yourself to them Jackie, you are Jackie and you will never change. U were a great freind to me. Can u remember when your shoe fell apart in the geography corridor and Mr. Cambell came chasing you?Its things like that u remember forever. Anyway I will keep this short as were on the guestbook so send me an e-mail with your telephone number o! n it and I will call u this week!I do hope we can get this e-mail mess sorted out as I have loads and loads o tell u. I will ALWAYS be your friend Jack and hope u keep giving all those readers who think you are just someone to AMMUSE them a run for there money. Take care anf God Bless your friend always DEBBIE
deborah turnbull <debmac1@btopenworld.com>
seaham, durham england - Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:23:42 (PDT)
Here is a story:(I heard it in Church at morning Mass this past week and would like to share it with you.) There was a family who had only one child, the child's parents were gentle, kind loving parents and practicing Christians. When the child reached 18 years old, given that he was the only child, he thought for his 18th Birthday his parents would have bought him a brand new car.(That was his expectations.) In anticipation for his Birthday gift, he agreed to apease his parents and went out to dinner with them. When they arrived home, his father handed him a Bible. The son was furious! As he thought it was an insult, so he threw the Bible across the room and stormed out of the house. He did not speak again to his father, as his father died several years later. When the son was going through his father's belonings, he came across the Bible which his father had given him for his 18th Birthday, when he opened it up, inside he found a check his father had written, dat! ed on the son's 18th Birthday, for the ammount it would cost for the brand new car the son had expected to have on his 18th Birthday .................. The moral of this story is that we should never put $$$ "Money" or "Materialistic Posessions" as our top priorities in life. God always gives us what we need, when we need it. We should not allow money or materialism to either run our lives, or to ruin our relationship with others, especially not with our parents and other family members. This story also illustrates, how children can become so dependant and in demand of automatically be given $$$ money and posessions from their parents, even when they are grown adults. Parents, teach your children well.... teach them to value and appreciate life and God more than money and posessions. Have a very beautiful day everyone... your Guest-book friend... Miss Jacqueline.
Jacqueline
- Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:21:34 (PDT)
Scotland forever, are you Celtic or Rangers Man?
Wise One
- Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:19:35 (PDT)
I hope this is printed.. I apologize to everyone that I have caused such a "ruckus!" and appeared to have "taken over" this Guest Book - that was never my intend! People were responding to me, therefore, I responded back and it just "took off" from there. I do not enjoy all of this attention. I am a woman of much dignity 99% of my time and extremely "proper" If you got to know me, I am really not this "disty air-head." I am very kind and self-giving. I would give to anyone who needed help, my last penny. I am a woman who gives rides to homeless people and just trust in God that I will be safe. I have a very compassionate heart - I think things on this Guest-book have just been "Blown out of Proportion" as far as the perception you all have of me. Anyway...Okay people... enough already with pounding all over me, Jacqueline. Despite my faults and short-comings, and I have many (as we all do) I at least have the courage and integrity to print my "Real" name on this Gu! est-Book. I get hell for some of my comments, but at least you all know the comments are from me. As far as my work goes, I should not have to justify to any "one" person what it is I do for a living; but I will so to put you all straight on this matter, as many of you are coming down far too harsh on me and for what? ..... I did indeed attend American University, trained for a Teaching Degree at college with James. T. Fowler Knight. He is American - I have no idea why he is spelling the British way, when he is an American through and through - just talk to him regarding the Civil War! His famous words at College were "And the South shall rise again!" Don't get him started regarding the South surrendering and the North defeating the South. he will chop off your head! I have worked as a Nanny/Governess, as well as a lot of my work has been within the Church Social Work/Humanitiarian work. I have worked with Mother Teresa's Order, back in Dallas, (Voluntary) I have worked as ! a Counselor at the Women's Crisis Center in Chicago, as well as at the Homeless shelters and the children's home. I am a member of the "Daughter's Of the British Empire" (We do Charitable work)I am also a member of the "JAYCEES" another fund raising organization. I am very pro-active, when I am able, with advocating for Human Rights. I also have taught Sunday School, Catholic CCD as well as Taught in the Department of Defense School in Giessen, Germany as a "teacher's aid." In addition to doing some teaching in the school in PA and in VA. I have also done a considerable amount of youth Ministry work with both privileged and under privileged children. I am currently in Washington DC doing work within an Organized Ministry. In the fall I will take a position in New York and also work with ATD Fourth World Humanitiarian Organization. It was started in 1957 in France, by a Catholic Priest. It is a world known organization and works very closely to UNICEF. Within the next year, I will make one of the biggest decisions of my life in a very long time! , (If marriage has not fallen around me) and decide to go to the "Third World" countries and continue full time with Humanitarian work. That is my "calling" and what I mostly enjoy doing - so much! As far as some of the people writing on my behalf - they are for real. The retired Officer, is a retired Colonel, so is her husband. She is originally from South Africa and therefore, still speaks with very much a British/South African accent. My Haywood, is an American, and I work with him in my Ministry group. The guy from Seaham, who wrote on my behalf, I have no idea who he is. And the guy "Peter" from Pennsylvania, is a friend of mine from the University library where I worked while attending classes. People, I have not mis-represented myself at all. I am for "real" - I just "Waffle" a bit on this Guest-Book." It just means as yet, at 34 years old, I do not have a life after work! It means I need to find a husband to keep me pre-occupied! But as I am choosy, I am finding th! at I limit myself. Finding a goodf, Holy, Catholic Gentleman, who is P olitical, Compassionate, Loyal, who has never been divorced, who is adventerous, fun, who has traveled and who is just a most beautiful Holy Man, is not easy to come by these days... So I just fill my time with other things. Please, just take me with a "grain of salt"... Also, "Miss Manners" thank you for recognizing that I do "Apologize" when I have made a mistake - I appreciate very much that you acknowlege my apology. Have a Super Day every one! God Bless and Smile! :) :) :) We all have so many things to be thankful for. Your "Guest-Book" friend... Miss Jacqueline Markie.
Jacqueline
- Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:18:56 (PDT)
Oh my Gosh! Deborah Macdonald! How are you? It is so good to hear from you. What a "hoot" this Guest Book is! I am still causing "waffles" of issues as I did back in school with my ranting mouth! I still laugh about the time my heel fell off my boot and I was hobbling down the school hallway... Remember in English class with Mr. MacNeeny - playing his guitar to the Irish jig and you and I were practically having a "cat fight" with each other - He was off in la-la land! That was a great English class - though Richard Whitmore use to always nag me for my "words" and ask me if I had eaten the Dictionary for breakfast. Yes, I did use to just use long words just to bug people. Remember "Rattle Ribs" and "Jelly Wobbles" what a hoot they were! Oh, I still laugh at our math class with Mr. Cousins...Wow! what a trip down memory lane.Anyway, I will send to you an e-mail and we can "catch up!" I am so glad to hear from you. Hopefully, soon Deborah, I will have a life after wo! rk and I will not be busy on this Guest book. I am moving to new York in the fall! and next month going to either Texas or Florida for a week or so vacation. Oh and Deborah.. hate to say this... but I have never liked been called "Jackie" my name is Jacqueline. Thanks!PS: watch your spelling as "Miss Manners" will be on your case.
Jacqueline
- Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:14:47 (PDT)
"Scotland Forever" Oh, when my natural father was alive, he was adament to my parents in Seaham that I was not English, but Scottish! My father was a true Scotsman thru and thru! I was born in Dunfermline and have relatives scattered around several places in Scotland. The Scottish people are very friendly and Scotland is so beautiful! With a "mystery" to it. I loved traveling Scotland, going to the "Hills of Glencoe" Crieve, The locks, and up to the Orkney Islands, as well as to Falkirk, Aberdeen and Dundee. I love Scotland.
Jacqueline
- Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:13:09 (PDT)
"Tom Morland" "Wise One" does work at the Boy Scouts. I think he just rants like the rest of us do on this Guest Book - I mean, look at the "hell" I get for ranting.... It has got to the point where I am the only one on this Guest Book who basically reveals my real name, and now has told the whole world my work for crying out loud! The Guest-Book got so "testy" lately, I felt I needed to speak up for myself and I will! While I very much try very hard to always stay dignified, and gentle and a lady, I am not a doormat, or a scared little mouse! I speak my mind and always will! So there!!! well... just have a nice evening!
Me
- Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:12:15 (PDT)
Thanks Wise one I can be on the chat line after 5.00pm Canada time,9.00pm Seaham Harbour time.This is regarding the Berry family in Seaham Harbour. Denis Berry
Denis Berry <berryd@nbnet.nb.ca>
Miramichi, New Brunswick Canada - Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:11:15 (PDT)
wise One what raised points did I not respond to
Miss Manners
Canada - Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:09:32 (PDT)
My Friend, could not get onto chatpage until 10-50pm due, once agai11:15 (PDT)
wise One what raised points did I not respond to
Miss Manners
Canada - Saturday, June 21, 2003 at 16:09:32 (PDT)
My Friend, could not get onto chatpage until 10-50pm due, once again to faulty server
Your Friend
- Friday, June 20, 2003 at 17:07:14 (PDT)
Jacqueline does NOT mispresent herself. She has worked as a nanny, which everyone who knows her is well aware of that. She has also been actively involved for well over ten years in various religious and social work, advocating Human Rights.She would make an excellent missionary worker and everyone here who knows her, knows that to be true. Please, would the people of this Guest-Book get off Miss Markie's case. I have known her since her arrival to USA 12 years ago she is an amazing woman. I for one, have no idea why she is not married as yet, as she is not only very attractive, slender, with a radiant smile,and all kinds of interests. She has a great personality and is friendly to everyone she meets. I do agree with the people of the Guest-Book that Miss Markie is too outspoken for her own good; but even she would agree with that. Let this Guest-book move on to other topics, and leave my friend Jacqueline alone - at least for a little while. Thanks. Peter.
Peter
Pennsylvania, USA - Friday, June 20, 2003 at 17:06:34 (PDT)
: "My friend" I waited for you, until 10.50pm this evening.. Was your server not working or maybe it was that you were busy. Next Friday I will be gone for the weekend. Can we get together another day and time? Please let me know.
friend
- Friday, June 20, 2003 at 17:04:59 (PDT)
as a regular reader of this page i find that Miss Markie has taken over.I knew Jackie from school and knew her very well. Too well i imagine from what has been wrote in the guestbook!!!Thanks for the Christmas cards and Easter cards, me and my Mum recieve a letter and card from her every year!!!Anyway as a friend to u Jackie stop making enemies. U are a nice parson when your head doesnt run away with you. U have made it inlfe now so stop TRYING to IMPRESS. Have a little faith in yourself as you try and teach others to do so. Sometimes i think you egxagirate about the life u have or want and it gets in the way of you being Jackie. Come on Jackie I have known u since you were 12.!!!!!Anyway would love u to e-mail me with all the gossip, take care love Debbie
debbie turnbull <debmac1@btopenworld.com>
seaham, durham england - Friday, June 20, 2003 at 17:04:23 (PDT)
Go on then Jacqueline,I would be fascinated to hear your views on my fellow Scottish race.What is it about us?That so many in the NE,nay the world,find so fascinating,and intensely friendly about us?just what is it?Quote"Wha's like us?damn few,and their aw deid".(Rabbie Burns)
Scotland Forever
- Friday, June 20, 2003 at 17:02:38 (PDT)
There seems to be a bit of confusion about the fact that Jacqueline works as a nanny. I don't think that any of us look down on nannys. It's just that Jacqueline has described herself as a humanitarian aid worker in the past. She has also described herself as a teacher. I wonder what frame of mind would casue someone to describe themselves as a teacher when they're a nanny?
Observer
- Friday, June 20, 2003 at 17:01:45 (PDT)
Yes Miss Manners, I agree you "joined the human race" the day you were born, but you left it some time after that! remember its never too late to repent of your ways, and you should refrain from repeating yourself with phrases like "oral D" you must admit, however you've had a right roasting on the Guestbook these last few days (most of the points raised you've decided to ignore as you can't answer them) so I won't add to your obvious discomfort! So I'll repeat myself just this once and I hate saying it "have a nice day Miss Manners"
Wise One
- Friday, June 20, 2003 at 17:01:00 (PDT)
Wise One you are a fool. First you make comments about me being rude and I should quit insulting your dear friend. You say I should show a little restraint and even humility .Then you turn around and try to bully and insult me.Well I think you should take a good long look at your own remarks. Not only the ones addressed to me but other's on this guestbook.Markie brags about how she gets into trouble for speaking her mind but she will always be like that .Well I am almost the same .One thing I will say about Markie she will apologize when she finds out she is wrong.There is such a thing as free speech and all are entitled to speak it .If we don't like what we hear we are entitled to voice our objections.So say what you want Wise One I can take it and give it.
Miss Manners
Canada - Friday, June 20, 2003 at 17:00:06 (PDT)
"Wise One" I was just thinking of you an hour ago when I was in a pastry shop and ate a piece of chocolate cake - it reminded me of the comment your mom made many years ago, when you were doing your "O" Level exams at school. She told one of the ladies, that "Our "?" is doing all the cooking and baking cakes, while he is home and just going back to school for his exams." Are you still a good cook and like to bake?
your "friend"
- Friday, June 20, 2003 at 16:57:50 (PDT)
"Not Posh" working as a nanny and doing social religious work is very fulfilling. it fulfills my needs of "motherhood" and fulfills my desire to offer my love to those in need. As of now, I am doing full time Social Religious work. By the way, nannies, my age, my educational background earn about two and a half times more than the nannies in Britian with my educational background and age. So, working as a nanny and doing religious/social work is a great career for me - and you know, I really love what I do. I have never been, or wanted to be a "Corporate" Career woman. In fact, I think next year, when I hit my "mid-thirty" milestone, I may seriously think about going to the third world countries to continue full time social/religious work. Anyway.. have a super day! God Bless. your "new" Guest-book friend... :)
Jacqueline
USA - Friday, June 20, 2003 at 16:56:36 (PDT)
Someone is messing about with the guest book it seems The entry from me dated June 18 is an entry from Jan how it is back up I don't know .let me assure everyone that NOT POSH is not me .I do not know NOT POSH so could not e-mail this person even if I wanted to.
Miss Manners
Canada - Friday, June 20, 2003 at 16:55:09 (PDT)
Ah Seaham!... land of my birth. I visit this GB every so often to see if anything has changed, for example, is miss Markie still filing her "letter from America" every day (you really ought to get a husband Jackie), is miss manners still insulting everyone, is Tom Moreland still thinking "POSH" is coined from Chitty, Chitty, Bang Bang (still reading Ibsen and Checkov I see Tom) by the way "POSH" is the abbreviation of Port Out, Starboard Home used when steaming in the tropics where the more delicate of our country had the money to afford cabins on the shaded side of the ship. Just 2 more things... does anyone have contact with Steve Taylor (he was my best mate at Camden Square School)if you do please let the GB know. Secondly..can anyone tell me the term for a Seaham bloke wearing a suit?
SeahamLadLivingAfar <slla@aol.com>
Durham - Friday, June 20, 2003 at 16:54:15 (PDT)
Jackie,you being sort of "well up" in your knowledge of the good book, can you tell me is it true that God couldn't allow Jesus to be born in Seaham because he couldn't find 3 wise men and a virgin?
Phil E Buster <peb@aol.com>
Garmish, Switzerland - Friday, June 20, 2003 at 16:52:33 (PDT)
Lol @ Wise One. “Miss Manners and "not Posh" are not the same Person, The "content" of their letters is similar, but the grammer is not! "Not Posh" seems much better educated and uses less Split affinitives.” You do mean grammar, and infinitives, Wise One. I do agree with you about noticing the difference in grammar, word usage, spelling, in revealing the author of some posts in the guest book. Both Jacqueline and Retired Officer spell interim as intrim, both use British spelling, and spell words incorrectly. Note that Jim, the American, spells realise, in the British way as opposed to the American spelling, which is realize. Using the word eloquency for eloquence, and numerous other examples of similar mistakes, points to one poster being the author of the posts in question. Seaham Resident also uses the same sentence structure as Jacqueline, Jim Retired Officer, Mr. Haywood, et.al. Many of us don’t realize that our accent is revealed in our writing. You can take ! the lass/lad out of Durham but you can’t take Durham out of the lass/lad. The word usage reveals the true accent, and speech of we posters. I suspect that the Sybil Syndrome is alive and flourishing on the guest book.
Not Posh
- Friday, June 20, 2003 at 16:51:04 (PDT)
Markie I beieve in pro choice I feel it is up to the women to deal with unwanted pregnacies .I do not believe thet a women should be forced to have a baby.I find pro lifers to be too extreme about there beliefs when they resort to bombing clinics and killing docters something just does not jive .How can they say they are pro life
Miss Manners
Canada - Friday, June 20, 2003 at 16:48:48 (PDT)
Dear Wise One’s “friend” (and, it is just possible that you may be ‘Wise One’ blowing his own trumpet). You say you have not been in touch with ‘Wise One’ for quite a while, yet you know who he is? Is it possible that he has always purported himself to be ‘One who is Wise’? If you had read my input correctly, you would have noticed that it was I who grew up in Parkside/Dawdon, and not 'Wise One'. From your remarks, is it possible that you believe people who live in Parkside and Dawdon have no self-control, or good manners, do not speak correctly, are not decent, and have no Christian values? If slagging a person (or an institution) off (for no other valid reason than that you feel yourself to be a radical) is being Christian, then I would rather be an atheist. When I read that 'Wise One' is in his mid thirties I was shocked, I thought I had gotten into an argument with an immature youngster. His illogical ranting is similar to that which I used myself, before reac! hing the age of maturity. I have given him a break by ending my conversation with him, and will give him some credit when he does ‘Wise Up’. You could possibly do him (and us) a lot of good by telling us about some of his voluntary work? I do like to hear good news now and again. Regards TOM
Tom Moreland <dadmoreland1@aol.com>
London, - Friday, June 20, 2003 at 16:47:51 (PDT)
Sorry if you thought that I was Miss Manners, I'm not. I saw your ad , for a house sitting job, available June 16 on a Texas board and wrongly assumed that you were mis representing yourself.I had thought from your posts that your full time job was in Social /Religious work.I apologize for any misunderstanding.I didn't know that you are a nanny who travels about the USA. Miss Manners I also apologize to you for taking a bum rap.Thus a 'little knowledge is dangerous' is added to my thought processes.
Not Posh
Canada - Thursday, June 19, 2003 at 16:14:16 (PDT)
"James" Thank you so much for your kind response to me. (As well as others) Yes, I do get a very hard time from many people on this Guest Book. I admit I do "stir the pot" Anyway, it was super talking to you last night - I can't believe it has been over ten years since we last communicated, yet, we were able to just continue with "chit-chatting" as if it were just yesterday that we saw each other. Thank you too, for your very kind and flattering comments. Glad you are doing well, but still cannot figure out why on earth you are residing in West Virginia of all states! Though, it is a very beautiful state - with much history. Oh forgot to ask you, do you still do your yearly reactment of the "Civil War?" I know you were really into that when we were in college. I spoke with Christopher just a few minute ago and he has had surgery, so he is recovering, he sends his regards. Really, he is such a sweet guy... I should have married him when he asked me in 1998 - but I ! was afraid to take the risk - What a "bloody fool!" I was! (You know how much I really liked him in college and we kept in touch all these years - he is a really fun, caring person and one of my greatest friends.)Anyway,I have enjoyed being single, but I think I am now ready for marriage at some point. Look forwarding to trying to make every effort to come out and visit you in the upcoming weekends. Take care and God Bless... Keep up the faith - to know it was me who had an influence on you - just makes me smile so much. I wanted to bring someone else back to the faith, whose first name is also "James" but, I do not think I ministered too well to him - I think I went over board and became too "preachy." So, of course, I was glad to hear that I was able to make a difference in your life and your walk with "Jesus Christ." With Jesus in your heart and life, your life will always be beautiful, even in difficult times and situations.
Jacqueline
- Thursday, June 19, 2003 at 16:12:30 (PDT)
"Miss Manners" there is no way that article I wrote on January 24th was copied - it was my own words - any fool can see that! I am a pretty good writer when I have my head on... Re-read the article again and you will see that was not by anyone else, other than myself.
Jacqueline
- Thursday, June 19, 2003 at 16:09:56 (PDT)
WASHINGTON -- What do Americans want? Safe streets, good schools, friendly neighbors, rewarding work. And where are many Americans finding them? In Canada, New Zealand, Mexico, Israel, Taiwan, and a growing list of other countries that are attracting record numbers of immigrants from the United States. It appears that America is facing an exodus of it's people.Some 100,000 people leave America for their country of origin each year.Add to that 200,000 + Americans who no longer feel that they have quality of life in the States. Each country has social, economic problems, and America is winning the race in the dissatisfied group.
Debate Anyone.
- Thursday, June 19, 2003 at 16:09:14 (PDT)
Now a tale of two of HMs "Guests" serving time which is sadly an example of the blatent class distinction still very much practiced in this Country! The first one is an ex MP, Cabinet Minister who was sentenced to 4 years, whilst in prison, he broke numerous rules and regulations, lived like a King, with sumptious meals and lots of "time out" to visit retaurants and home for all the creature comforts that conjours up and his reward for all his misdemeaners? maximum parole benefits and early release next Month. This is the "Establishment" at work. The other a poor chap doing time, for defending his property and possibly his life, accidently shoots dead a Burglar and injures his "partner in crime" and his reward? every obstacle is put in the way of his early release on parole by the self-same establishment. Indeed the surviving Burglar has been granted permission to sue him for damages. It beggars belief. We are it seems not only the most "class conscious Country" ! in the World, but the most foolish! A "Dickens" character once described the law as an Ass. was he right? contributions on a postcard please. What do you think Jacqueline?
Wise One
- Thursday, June 19, 2003 at 16:08:12 (PDT)
Oh Dear Now Tom(G'bye) Moreland and Father (I'm outa here) Corrigan have joined the B & B Brigade, Together with past contributers from New Zealand, Oz, Spain and elsewhere, What happens is they get into the Kitchen and then find they can't stand the heat! and take the "huff" on minor matters, like when they fail to think of an adequate response, and decide silence is truly golden. and the B & B Brigade? Thats the ones who "take their Bat and Ball" in when they can't get their own way!
Wise One
- Thursday, June 19, 2003 at 16:06:11 (PDT)
Miss Manners and "not Posh" are not the same Person, The "content" of their letters is similar, but the grammer is not! "Not Posh" seems much better educated and uses less Split affinitives!
Wise One
- Thursday, June 19, 2003 at 16:05:20 (PDT)
"Wise One" I am NOT sure I am an asset to this G/B I think I "waffle" my mouth off too much. I am just as much of a "Pain" to Seaham as when I lived there... Only I am now 16 years older than when I last resided there.... I am still a pain in the bottom! I think it is time, God found me the "husband" I am praying for... then I know in the evenings after work, I would be busy with other things, and not getting myself into "waffles of trouble" on our home town Guest Book. My dad would always tell me, "Jacqueline, your mouth gets you in trouble!" "Wise One" I still rant off my mouth... Pray for me to learn the art of "silence"... when appropriate. Hey, it is a good thing I can smile at my short-comings... I have plenty of them! Anyway, have a nice day everyone...
Jacqueline
- Thursday, June 19, 2003 at 16:03:30 (PDT)
My "friend" should we try again for this Friday between 10.30pm and 10.45pm your time? What do you think? Look forward to it.... Or what about 10.00pm Friday?... Let me know... your "friend."
Your "friend"
- Thursday, June 19, 2003 at 16:02:50 (PDT)
Dear "Miss Manners" I did ask my friends to look at this G/B so they could see the "heck" I get from some people. So, I do aplogize that I mistakenly took you for "Not Posh." Anyway, I offer my apologies to you.
Jacqueline
- Thursday, June 19, 2003 at 16:02:01 (PDT)
Jacqueline, I know who that "Not Posh" maybe... Lives in GA initials either: "A" for first name. Or, initials "J" "R" for last name. Or it is initials "P" for first name or, initials "S" for first name. Not hard to figure out.... "wiser than you."
One of your friends. <: "wiser than you.">
- Thursday, June 19, 2003 at 16:01:03 (PDT)
Dear "Tom Morland" I can assure you that "Wise One" did not grow up in Parkside or Dawdon. I personally know his parents and one of them is well educated. "Wise One" grew up in rather a "controlled" home environment, where manners were high on the priority list as well as speaking correctly and having the Christian values installed. I know his parents - I can assure you he grew up in rather a decent home. As of now, I am not sure where "Wise One" now resides, but I can imagine, that his place of residency has not changed how he was raised and of the values he was raised with. He may have gone through a few years of "rebellion" but I think now that he is in his mid-thirties, he has "wised up!" And I think he may do well for the community with some of his volunteer work. Give him a break and give him some credid. Thanks...
Wise One's "friend."
- Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 16:58:19 (PDT)
"Wise One" waht are you talking about? "The Engineer and the Conductor?" And trying something different in what? Terms of career, (which I am) or terms of "not being afraid to take the risk in developing new relationships?" And... I am not sure that my "train of thoughts" are "hard to follow." I am extremely direct at times, too much that it gets me into trouble. Just take a look at the comments that fly back to me on this Guest-Book. My friend, James, from VA, who contacted me through this G/B... told me last night that through my being too outspoken, I am basically "upsetting" a lot of people. I think I need to learn to keep my mouth shut. Lets look at it as "rebellion" from always been told to "shut-up" when I was a kid. Now I make up for it, and speak out my opinions - Ooooh, but, boy! oh boy! do I get Hell for it and I do! But oh well.... Never mind! Anyway, have a nice day. :)
Jacqueline
- Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 16:57:08 (PDT)
Dear Tom Moreland, sorry you're a quiter! thought you had more "bottle" than that, You sound rather confused and you probably do right to take a rest from the Guestbook, I do however look forward to seeing further contributions from you in due course.
Wise One
- Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 16:56:16 (PDT)
Miss Markie you never fail to amuse me.Just when I think there might be a brain in your head,I am refering to your Jan- 24- 03 entry I find out you copied it from a media article tsk tsk.Then you show your immaturity and write a piece of drivel on Jan-27-03. What century are you in ,the suffragette's will all be rolling in their graves.No man, women or fowl like you will ever put me in my place my dear.To cheer on a man to put a woman in her place is really showing your immaturity.next time you have a bad case of oral diarrhea use the W.C.not the guestbook.Miss Markie do ever peruse your entries you should I think in your last entry you just insulted every person who lives in Seaham, Miss Manners
Miss Manners
Canada - Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 16:55:43 (PDT)
Jacqueline Markie, You are truly well blessed, your Friends know this and you must be very proud of them as they are of you. I have not always agreed with you 100% on this Guestbook, but your integrity is certain and you are an asset to this Guestbook aand a credit to Seaham
Wise One
- Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 16:52:22 (PDT)
Jock (wise one!),your words are wasted here my friend!!To my knowledge there are no weemin in Seaham who have failed to enjoy the pleasure of a full (or is that fully?) blown Scotsman!Those who just canny get enough have moved to Aberdeen!!
Scotland Forever
- Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 16:51:46 (PDT)
First I want to thank the proprietors of this guestbook for getting me back in touch with a dear, much missed friend. Second, I have seen her as the subject of no little ridicule and of great praise. Speaking as one who disagrees with her on very nearly everything, I realise she can be just a might "preachy" on her causes and platforms. Still she is one of the few truly kind and caring people I have ever known and since we got back in touch, the Jacqueline I knew ten years ago has only improved. I think there was a run-on-sentence in there but I hope Dr. Pangloss isn't the one to tell me.For all his rhetorical skill he splits his infinitives.
Jim <fountainpenuser@yahoo.com>
Bluefield, WV USA - Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 16:51:08 (PDT)
REgarding my last. Yes it should be TOO not TO. You lot would irritate the spelling gene out of anybody.
Victor H. Brown <Huntrods@btinternet.com>
Louth, - Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 16:49:11 (PDT)
Okay.. debates on other subjects, other than always protaining to "Jacqueline" I am not that important - at all! Anyway, what about "pro-life vs pro-choice?" or, we can discuss the aftermath of the Iraq War - which is still going on.....
Jacqueline
- Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 16:48:11 (PDT)
If "Not Posh" is not "Miss Manners" then who or why is "Not Posh" being a pain in the rear end toward "Jacqueline." Look, between "Miss Manners" and "Not Posh" the two of you have something against "Jacqueline." Leave her alone and DO NOT USE this Guest-Book to spout personal conflictions. E-mail each other - Please, as we of this Guest Book do not wish to have out G/B used as a "Venting Board." Thank you.
Seaham resident
- Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 16:46:06 (PDT)
Wise One Lets get one thing straight I joined the human race the day I was born .I am sure if there is such a thing as another life after death and such a thing as a god to humble myself to then so be it but dear Wise One noone appointed you as a savior so please try not to play god in the future
Miss Manners
Canada - Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 16:45:17 (PDT)
Markie I am sorry but I cannot take the credit for the comments by Not Posh .You seem to be under the imppression that it is I but it is not as I don't know you from adam any comments I have to make about you are strictly from your entries in the guestbook .Not Posh has to know you pretty well and whoever it is really started quite a frenzy didn't they.Now to Not Posh whoever you are boy did you stir the pot.
Miss Manners
Canada - Wednesday, June 18, 2003 at 16:44:32 (PDT)
Miss Manners - "Posh" has nothing to do with one's chosen career. A nanny is a very important profession. Someone with Jacqueline's dedication, Education and Poise, and eloquency are the characters I would welcome to care for and to raise my children. I have known Jacqueline since she worked for my husband and myself in Germany, she is GodMother to my youngest son and very much part of the lives of our family and children. Jacqueline is very much a 'lady' with the highest morals and with maturity that goes beyond her years in many ways. Jacqueline can be described as "Posh" due to her dignity and poise and how she carries herself. Jacqueline, does however, speak her mind and takes on more than she can chew. Otherwise, she is a lovely young lady, get to know her and you will be surprised. H